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PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:25 pm 
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Anyone know the condition on the 2nd?

I think a 1st, 2nd and a decent prospect is probably as good as you can expect for a rental. If the tables were turned, and we were trading for a guy we knew we wouldn't resign, that would be a lot to pay, but I'd pay it if I had a legit chance at the cup.

The condition on the 2nd worries me. If its based on him resigning and we lose it, then we didn't get enough IMO.


The conditions have something to do with the Caps currently not owning a 2nd round pick in 2018. It went to Montreal in Lars Eller deal. Nothing is "official" still.

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I figured we wouldn't find a trade partner and would lose him for nothing, so I'm just happy we got something in return.

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Retaining half salary should have been expected.

1) The Caps aren't going to re-sign Shattenkirk.
2) It's only half - so 2M
3) It will have ZERO IMPACT (other than having the full 4+ M to sign Parayko) on the Blues cap next season, because Shattenkirk's salary next year is ZERO for the Blues

So WTF is the big deal about that??? It's not like the Blues are buying this season.

The Bishop trade, which is similar in players, TB retained half of Bishop's salary - oooo - for a whole 3 months. So what???

Making mountains out of what isn't even big enough to be called a mole hill.

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JCShutout wrote:
Anyone know the condition on the 2nd?

I think a 1st, 2nd and a decent prospect is probably as good as you can expect for a rental. If the tables were turned, and we were trading for a guy we knew we wouldn't resign, that would be a lot to pay, but I'd pay it if I had a legit chance at the cup.

The condition on the 2nd worries me. If its based on him resigning and we lose it, then we didn't get enough IMO.

Apparently Washington doesn't have a 2018 2nd round pick to trade; it was acquired by Montreal in the Eller trade. So your question is a darn good one.

EDIT: And I need to learn how to read. This inquiry was already answered above by the incomparable theohall.

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TJ Oshie and Kevin Shattenkirk skating with Washington's 1st Stanley Cup would be the the cherry on top of the shit sundae that is Bluuuuues hockey.


Damn... if that happens, the asteroid needs to hit the (Franking) earth.

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Still waiting for Army to do something competent after all these years, eh boys? :D

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Copley back to WAS also, clearing room for Husso to join the Wolves.

1st Rnd in 2017 for sure.
Conditional pick(s) still waiting for official word.

Hopefully, the conditionals are tied to games played/Caps playoff level and not to #22 re-signing with WAS. That's what what the conditional was in the Bishop deal.

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I wish we had gotten a better prospect than somebody that has struggled in his brief time in the NHL. But I think this is a pretty solid return for 25 games of shattenkirk.

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Defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk was traded to the Washington Capitals by the St. Louis Blues on Monday.

The Blues will receive a first-round pick in the 2017 NHL Draft, a conditional second-round pick in 2019, an additional conditional pick, and forwards Zach Sanford and Brad Malone. The Capitals also acquired goaltender Pheonix Copley.

The conditions are insane. They range from how many games Shattenkirk plays and how far the Caps go in playoffs, to Caps trading Shattenkirk before Jul 1 and what they get in return, to whether Caps re-sign Shattenkirk. Lots of conditions.

2nd rounder in 2019 is if Caps reach ECF and #22 plays half the games, which he will.

Don't know all the conditions on the 3rd pick, but that's about the Caps re-signing/trading Shattenkirk before Jul 1

Malone is a 4th line F - can play C and W. Not done much with Col or Car in his 5 years in the league.

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Okay - here are the conditions on the conditionals:

If WASH re-signs Shattenkirk OR advances to East Final+he plays in 50% of first two rounds, STL gets 2019 2nd rounder

If WASH trades him on/before July 1, STL gets a 7th round draft pick. However, should return be a 4th round pick or earlier then, instead of a 7th, STL gets next available pick two rounds later than the earliest pick received by WASH. For example, if WASH trades gets a 3rd for him, STL receives a 5th...Oh, and STL picks up 39 per cent of Shattenkirk's salary.

So it's basically Sanford, Malone, a 1st and a 2nd, because that 3rd conditional pick likely will never happen.

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Last thing

Blues retain 39% of #22's salary - which isn't important at all, although the Blues arm chair GMs on Twitter seem to think it's a HORRIBLE THING DOUGIE ALLOWED, OMG OMG OMG

:aaaa: :okman:

It's actually meaningless in the big picture, because it disappears when this season ends and the Blues aren't buying right now. Armstrong was on record with this before the Chicago game.

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Still waiting for Army to do something competent after all these years, eh boys? :D


Jesus, Shattenkirk was not going to be retained, repeat NOT going to be retained. The salary cap dictated that and we need to pay Parayko. We're eyeballs deep in d prospects and there's no way St. Louis is winning the Cup this year so you want to crucify Army for making something out of a lost cause? There's plenty he's done wrong and this isn't one of them.

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Nyghtewynd wrote:
Still waiting for Army to do something competent after all these years, eh boys? :D


Jesus, Shattenkirk was not going to be retained, repeat NOT going to be retained. The salary cap dictated that and we need to pay Parayko. We're eyeballs deep in d prospects and there's no way St. Louis is winning the Cup this year so you want to crucify Army for making something out of a lost cause? There's plenty he's done wrong and this isn't one of them.

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Does anyone think we make any more trades before deadline tomorrow? Either to strengthen the team in the present or to build for the future?

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Highly doubtful there are any more trades before the deadline unless it's depth type deals to add draft picks or prospects. The Blues don't have the big pieces to move that other GMs would actually give things up for. Lehtera isn't a "help your team get better for the playoffs" center nor is Berglund. And that's the only two guys I see the Blues even trying to deal right now.

One other note, which I'm sure glen would point out, moving #22 opens a door for Vince Dunn who is playing outstanding for the Wolves right now.

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The bitchfest about this trade on Facebook is unbelievable. People's expectations are insane.

I frankly think this is a good return. Malone was a toss in junk pick up, whatever. Most of what I've googled (ignoring the kool-aid drinkers) project this Sanford kid as a solid 3rd line player. What's wrong with that? We weren't getting a blue chip here people.

The only "negative" on the first rounder is that, yea, highly unlikely Washington loses in the first round of the playoffs and probably makes a strong play for the top 4 so it'll likely be a bottom feeder first round pick but hey! It's one more pick than we had and certainly better than the goose egg if Armstrong held onto him.

Husso must be instilling a lot of confidence in the Blues organ-eye-zation for Copley to be headed back to Washington too.

Whoever said it earlier in this thread nailed it on the head: From any trade partner perspective you're trading for a rental. You're not going to deal a blue chip prospect, it's going to be some combination of a mid level prospect with a first round pick + whatever other table scraps you can grab. Which is exactly what we got.

I'm fine with the trade.

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Does anyone think we make any more trades before deadline tomorrow? Either to strengthen the team in the present or to build for the future?

Teams are either buyers or sellers - by moving Shattenkirk yesterday it means Armstrong is a seller. So I wouldn't expect any trades to improve this year's team. Capitals are going to be tough to beat with Shatty now but they always implode in the playoffs. I still like the Penguins coming out of the East.


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Highly doubtful there are any more trades before the deadline unless it's depth type deals to add draft picks or prospects. The Blues don't have the big pieces to move that other GMs would actually give things up for. Lehtera isn't a "help your team get better for the playoffs" center nor is Berglund. And that's the only two guys I see the Blues even trying to deal right now.

One other note, which I'm sure glen would point out, moving #22 opens a door for Vince Dunn who is playing outstanding for the Wolves right now.


Agreed. I think this was the big move of the deadline. Maybe Armstrong picks up a depth D or depth forward for some garbage return (6th or 7th round pick or something) but I think that's about it.

Alright Parayko! That 2nd slot right D-man is all yours! Let's get it!

Lehtera could be one of those guys who we trade to the Coyotes/Golden Knights (teams with abundant cap space) with a draft pick just to shed the salary. 'Yotes are getting the venerable Chris Pronger and Pavel Datsyuk off their books this year, they're going to have more cap space than they know what to do with.

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Does anyone think we make any more trades before deadline tomorrow? Either to strengthen the team in the present or to build for the future?

Teams are either buyers or sellers - by moving Shattenkirk yesterday it means Armstrong is a seller. So I wouldn't expect any trades to improve this year's team. Capitals are going to be tough to beat with Shatty now but they always implode in the playoffs. I still like the Penguins coming out of the East.


Generally I would agree with you but Shatty was a very contract specific trade. Circumstances of the season play into it, sure, but I don't think it "announces" the Blues stance for the deadline.

I could see Armstrong getting some depth but I don't expect much more than that.

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KrustyKevo wrote:
Does anyone think we make any more trades before deadline tomorrow? Either to strengthen the team in the present or to build for the future?

Teams are either buyers or sellers - by moving Shattenkirk yesterday it means Armstrong is a seller. So I wouldn't expect any trades to improve this year's team. Capitals are going to be tough to beat with Shatty now but they always implode in the playoffs. I still like the Penguins coming out of the East.


Generally I would agree with you but Shatty was a very contract specific trade. Circumstances of the season play into it, sure, but I don't think it "announces" the Blues stance for the deadline.

I could see Armstrong getting some depth but I don't expect much more than that.


Yeah, agreed. We won't be making any win-now deals, but a minor move is possible. My guess is that we are done though.

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