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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 9:46 pm 
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Lehtera- a team low 11:19

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 11:26 pm 
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Toasted Oates wrote:
Brodziak-13:04
Upshall-12:55
Reaves-11:23

Lehtera- a team low 11:19


That first part - good. They were the ones actually putting forth effort for the whole game. That last part - scratch his ass already and play Barbashev or Sanford.

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Toasted Oates wrote:
Brodziak-13:04
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Reaves-11:23

Lehtera- a team low 11:19


:shock:

Nice...

I like it.

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theohall wrote:
Toasted Oates wrote:
Brodziak-13:04
Upshall-12:55
Reaves-11:23

Lehtera- a team low 11:19


That first part - good. They were the ones actually putting forth effort for the whole game. That last part - scratch his ass already and play Barbashev or Sanford.


I'd be good with that. This is at least a step in the right direction though. I know you don't like Yeo, but he at least is taking ice time away from Lehtera. And, we knew he wasn't going to sit out every game the rest of the year. So, if we're going to play him, might as well let the Avs be one of the games.

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theohall wrote:
Toasted Oates wrote:
Brodziak-13:04
Upshall-12:55
Reaves-11:23

Lehtera- a team low 11:19


That first part - good. They were the ones actually putting forth effort for the whole game. That last part - scratch his ass already and play Barbashev or Sanford.


I'd be good with that. This is at least a step in the right direction though. I know you don't like Yeo, but he at least is taking ice time away from Lehtera. And, we knew he wasn't going to sit out every game the rest of the year. So, if we're going to play him, might as well let the Avs be one of the games.


The problem with this is the Avs, being a crappy team, are the best team to start integrating younger players into key roles, instead of giving guys any ice time who doesn't deserve any.

Put it this way, which is better?
1) Integrating prospects against one of the worst teams in the league.
2) Integrating prospects against one of the best teams in the West.

Instead, we get the 3rd line with a C who doesn't belong in the NHL and 2 wingers who belong in the AHL at best. Why even ice that line at all???

This is one of the problem with Yeo. Small picture thinking and giving veterans opportunities they don't deserve while keeping prospects on the sidelines and when he does give prospects chances it's only in 3rd/4th line roles with limited ice time. (2 shifts in a game isn't giving a prospect a real opportunity) Prospects don't improve at the NHL level that way.

Just to pile on a little more about Yeo's inability to get offense from a team, his AHL Aero's team that reached the AHL Finals - not one player on the team was top 15 in goals, points, or assists. They got there on defense and goaltending and lost in the Finals due to the lack of offense. At every level as a head coach, Yeo teams do not generate offense.

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It feels like every coach we've had for the better part of the last 20 years has been boring and defensive-minded.

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It feels like every coach we've had for the better part of the last 20 years has been boring and defensive-minded.


And refuse to adapt to the current times...

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theohall wrote:
cardsfan04 wrote:
theohall wrote:
Toasted Oates wrote:
Brodziak-13:04
Upshall-12:55
Reaves-11:23

Lehtera- a team low 11:19


That first part - good. They were the ones actually putting forth effort for the whole game. That last part - scratch his ass already and play Barbashev or Sanford.


I'd be good with that. This is at least a step in the right direction though. I know you don't like Yeo, but he at least is taking ice time away from Lehtera. And, we knew he wasn't going to sit out every game the rest of the year. So, if we're going to play him, might as well let the Avs be one of the games.


The problem with this is the Avs, being a crappy team, are the best team to start integrating younger players into key roles, instead of giving guys any ice time who doesn't deserve any.

Put it this way, which is better?
1) Integrating prospects against one of the worst teams in the league.
2) Integrating prospects against one of the best teams in the West.

Instead, we get the 3rd line with a C who doesn't belong in the NHL and 2 wingers who belong in the AHL at best. Why even ice that line at all???

This is one of the problem with Yeo. Small picture thinking and giving veterans opportunities they don't deserve while keeping prospects on the sidelines and when he does give prospects chances it's only in 3rd/4th line roles with limited ice time. (2 shifts in a game isn't giving a prospect a real opportunity) Prospects don't improve at the NHL level that way.

Just to pile on a little more about Yeo's inability to get offense from a team, his AHL Aero's team that reached the AHL Finals - not one player on the team was top 15 in goals, points, or assists. They got there on defense and goaltending and lost in the Finals due to the lack of offense. At every level as a head coach, Yeo teams do not generate offense.


The extension of your idea of which is better is that either Lehtera never dresses (which isn't realistic) or he plays against the better teams which is counterintuitive to your point.

I'm just happy that he has lowered Lehtera's ice time. I think that's a good starting point for holding veterans accountable. I get that you hate Yeo, but he doesn't do EVERYTHING wrong. Not everything is a huge catastrophe.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:39 pm 
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Here's your catastrophe. The Metropolitan Division has very quickly replaced the Central as the leagues best collection of teams. Going down the line, Washington, Columbus, Pittsburgh and the Rangers have among the best goal differentials in the league, throw in Minnesota coached by a former Washington coach bringing the EC philosophy and Chicago, and you have 6 teams that get it. Those 6 teams, plus Toronto, are averaging 3 goals+ per game. We're somehow 16th at 2.73, but aside from a couple of outliers, we're down from that under Yeo. We also have a negative goal differential, so not only are our offensive pieces being misused but our defense, our freaking bread and butter, is sucking a big one this year too. Literally nothing is clicking, and it's clicking even less now. I'm not impressed by a 3-0 win against Colorado. We should have hung 7 on them. They suck and they were playing a damn 10th string goalie. It would be nothing short of a small miracle if we actually stayed competitive tomorrow against Minnesota.

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OK... what has Yeo done right? How has he improved this team's 5-on-5 play and offense? It's gotten worse under Yeo's leadership.

And someone needs to send a message to Armstrong about keeping crappy players on the roster and rewarding them. That starts by benching them, not playing them. And, yes, Lehtera should be scratched for the rest of the season and only stuck in the lineup if someone is hurt and there is no one else available. What has Lehtera done to earn ice time this season?? That's the standard prospects get held to, but not players like Paajarvi who scores 2 goals in 10 games with 0 assists and is rewarded for it, or Lehtera who turns Tarasenko into the scoreless wonder.

But Yeo doesn't have the balls as a coach to actually bench veterans over developing younger players. This is the same thing he did in Minnesota.

People keeps saying give Yeo a chance. Hard to do when he is already doing the same things that got him fired by the Wild.

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One good thing he's done is the thing we're talking about, taking ice time away from Lehtera. Not playing him the rest of the season isn't realistic. Come on. You know that can't and shouldn't happen.

-Players need days off here and there. It's super common to rotate the bottom of the lineup through the press box.
-What if we have some injuries (the odds of which are perhaps increased if we effectively decrease our roster size by perma-benching Lehtera)? Do we just throw him out there after a month off heading into the playoffs?
-A lot of us hope that LV takes him in the expansion draft. If we bench him for a month, you can forget that possibility.

Honestly, the fact that Lehtera getting the least amount of time on the ice on the team is grounds for criticizing Yeo is pretty telling about whether he's actually being given a chance. I'm not saying he's going to be great or even has been. But, I am saying that 14 games is too small of a sample size to draw significant conclusions on, especially when it contains both the honeymoon period and the bye week in which almost every team has struggled to come back from.

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It is realistic to bench someone who isn't performing and give someone else a chanced who hasn't been given any significant playing time at all - Barbashev/Sanford. See if they can out-perform Lehtera before the playoffs, they play in the playoffs, instead of the non-performer. That's simple. Then Lehtera becomes nothing but an injury replacement like they've done with Rattie and Yakupov all season. That's a realistic expectation given how poorly Lehtera has played. Other teams (Pittsburgh, Chicago) have no problem playing their kids on regular shifts over crappy veterans - and it's worked for them.

The issue with Yeo and not giving him a chance... he is saying and doing the same things he did with the Wild. If he were actually doing something different, I'd agree with giving him a chance. But he isn't. The argument about giving him a chance is he would have learned from his mistakes with the Wild. That doesn't appear to be the case. I'm curious how many active coaches have a career G/GM stat of 2.49 G/Gm. That's what Yeo is and it isn't changing. Honeymoon period - Blues scored goals when playing for their jobs. Honeymoon period ended and, voila, right to what Yeo teams produced with the Wild.

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