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PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:30 pm 
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Pierre Maguire just said "Charlie Coyle is really starting to take over this series." Don't get me wrong, he's playing well. But let's check the scoreboard.


He should be saying Jake Allen owns this series. It sucks seeing the Minnesota Wild version of the broadcast, because they don't show all the crap the Wild are doing and barely show Blues scoring chances, while at the same time showing Wild chances (or should I say Allen saves) ad nauseam. At least I have Kerbs and Chaser.


Definitely. I don't mind that he says nice things about the Wild. Their 18 skaters are probably having a better series than our 18 (although it's been a lot closer since game 1). Coyle is one of the reasons for that. Allen has been better than their 18 skaters though. 114 saves on 117 shots is proof.

Also, 114 saves on 117 shots!!! :shock:

My memory of the specifics of Brent Johnson's 3 straight shutouts in 2002 is a bit fuzzy (I know it was like 65 shots over 3 games, but that's about it). But, this can't be far off from that.

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The goaltending in these playoffs overall has been amazing. Obviously Allen, but also Chicago being held goalless through two, and Henrik Lundqvist has also been stellar, even in spite of losing game 2 I think he had something like 55 or so saves in that game.

Anyway great to go up 3-0, obviously, but this series has clearly been all about Allen. How about in game 4 not giving up 40+ shots? Give Jake a break, you can't lean n the goalie forever. Scoring a few more early on would be a great start.

Also, I've never been one to buy into the whole "peaking at the right time" concept, but if you really get right down to it, the Blues certainly did peak at the right time. Whether they can sustain it is another story, but they were certainly one of the hottest teams in the league going into the playoffs.

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Except, but if you really get right down to it, the Blues certainly did peak at the right time. Whether they can sustain it is another story, but they were certainly one of the hottest teams in the league going into the playoffs.


Best defensive team in the league from Feb 1st onwards.

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I'll just leave this here.

From the game recap:
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Blues C Jori Lehtera was a healthy scratch for the second consecutive game.

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And may Lehtera's next NHL game be with him wearing a different logo on the front.

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I will be shocked if Lehtera is still on the Blues next season - whether they are able to trade him or buy him out.

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The NHL Tonight guys pointed out how well the Blues are defending the middle, not giving up shots there, and not giving up rebound chances. One of the few in the middle rebound chances they've given up was the Wild's lone goal in Game 3. The Wild are getting more shots, but they aren't necessarily getting more scoring chances. The shots they are getting are almost all outside. This wasn't true in Game 1 when the Blues turnovers led to lots of quality chances. Some of the shots on goal in Game 2 which counted for the Wild were dump-ins from center that Allen stopped. Of course, they didn't count the same weak crap when Dubnyk stopped them.

Unfortunately, I can't find shot charts to show how well the Blues were defending in Games 2 and 3. The only shot charts I've found are NBCs and those are completely whacked.

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The NHL Tonight guys pointed out how well the Blues are defending the middle, not giving up shots there, and not giving up rebound chances. One of the few in the middle rebound chances they've given up was the Wild's lone goal in Game 3. The Wild are getting more shots, but they aren't necessarily getting more scoring chances. The shots they are getting are almost all outside. This wasn't true in Game 1 when the Blues turnovers led to lots of quality chances. Some of the shots on goal in Game 2 which counted for the Wild were dump-ins from center that Allen stopped. Of course, they didn't count the same weak crap when Dubnyk stopped them.

Unfortunately, I can't find shot charts to show how well the Blues were defending in Games 2 and 3. The only shot charts I've found are NBCs and those are completely whacked.


While this seems to be the narrative, the stats on this site tell a different story (Follow links in article for more info--pay special attention to the game-by-game shot heatmaps). The data is hard to argue with and I for one find it encouraging. If the Wild really are throwing their best at Allen (and the d-corps, let's not forget all those blocked shots and passes) then their fate is in our hands and the only real strategy they have left at that point is to wait and see if we choke . . . :grin:

. . . which, it being the Blues after all, may not be a totally unrealistic strategy. :doh:

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The NHL Tonight guys pointed out how well the Blues are defending the middle, not giving up shots there, and not giving up rebound chances. One of the few in the middle rebound chances they've given up was the Wild's lone goal in Game 3. The Wild are getting more shots, but they aren't necessarily getting more scoring chances. The shots they are getting are almost all outside. This wasn't true in Game 1 when the Blues turnovers led to lots of quality chances. Some of the shots on goal in Game 2 which counted for the Wild were dump-ins from center that Allen stopped. Of course, they didn't count the same weak crap when Dubnyk stopped them.

Unfortunately, I can't find shot charts to show how well the Blues were defending in Games 2 and 3. The only shot charts I've found are NBCs and those are completely whacked.


While this seems to be the narrative, the stats on this site tell a different story (Follow links in article for more info--pay special attention to the game-by-game shot heatmaps). The data is hard to argue with and I for one find it encouraging. If the Wild really are throwing their best at Allen (and the d-corps, let's not forget all those blocked shots and passes) then their fate is in our hands and the only real strategy they have left at that point is to wait and see if we choke . . . :grin:

. . . which, it being the Blues after all, may not be a totally unrealistic strategy. :doh:


Which makes getting that first goal of the game that much more important. We're not getting a lot of offense in this series so far.

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Which makes getting that first goal of the game that much more important. We're not getting a lot of offense in this series so far.


My favorite stat of the series: Minnesota's time spent playing with a lead: 0:00

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Stastny skated today and joined line rushes.



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That's really great news. I'd be tempted to hold him out of game 4 though. I'm saying that without detailed knowledge of his actual condition I guess. But, we're in pretty good shape as is and the extra time off could be good, even if it's just the 3 days until day 5.

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I can certainly see the logic in holding him out tomorrow. I'm in the "if he can play, he plays" camp, though. The Blues' one glaring issue in this series is faceoffs. If they could start with the puck a little more in Game 4, I believe the Wild are finished. Hell, they're so mentally fragile they could be finished either way, but still. Stastny wins faceoffs.

End their season first chance you get. Best players gotta play.

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I can certainly see the logic in holding him out tomorrow. I'm in the "if he can play, he plays" camp, though. The Blues' one glaring issue in this series is faceoffs. If they could start with the puck a little more in Game 4, I believe the Wild are finished. Hell, they're so mentally fragile they could be finished either way, but still. Stastny wins faceoffs.

End their season first chance you get. Best players gotta play.


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Faceoff wins is a desperate need for us right now, and probably the best way to combat Minnesota's dominance so far in terms of puck possession. Free Stastny.

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The NHL Tonight guys pointed out how well the Blues are defending the middle, not giving up shots there, and not giving up rebound chances. One of the few in the middle rebound chances they've given up was the Wild's lone goal in Game 3. The Wild are getting more shots, but they aren't necessarily getting more scoring chances. The shots they are getting are almost all outside. This wasn't true in Game 1 when the Blues turnovers led to lots of quality chances. Some of the shots on goal in Game 2 which counted for the Wild were dump-ins from center that Allen stopped. Of course, they didn't count the same weak crap when Dubnyk stopped them.

Unfortunately, I can't find shot charts to show how well the Blues were defending in Games 2 and 3. The only shot charts I've found are NBCs and those are completely whacked.


While this seems to be the narrative, the stats on this site tell a different story (Follow links in article for more info--pay special attention to the game-by-game shot heatmaps). The data is hard to argue with and I for one find it encouraging. If the Wild really are throwing their best at Allen (and the d-corps, let's not forget all those blocked shots and passes) then their fate is in our hands and the only real strategy they have left at that point is to wait and see if we choke . . . :grin:

. . . which, it being the Blues after all, may not be a totally unrealistic strategy. :doh:


What that article misses - yes, the Blues are giving up some chances in the high danger zone areas. It never mentions the Blues aren't allowing the Wild to get to rebounds off of those shots along with Allen giving up very few rebounds off of them, as well. The only 5-on-5 goal the Wild scored was off of a rebound from a high danger area shot - one of the few rebound chances the Wild have actually been able to reach. When Allen was struggling back in December/January - many of the goals he allowed were - ta da - 2nd chance opportunities because he was giving up horrendous rebounds and the Blues as a team weren't clearing any of them or tying up trailers.

Corsi is very misleading when the majority of the shots are from outside the dots and beyond the top of circles.

Limited focus by that author to make his point by looking at initial shots only.

At the same time, are the Wild outplaying the Blues in general. Hell, yes. This is what the Wild have been doing since they lost to the Blues back in February. Outplaying their opponent, but not scoring goals, and losing as a result.

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From a Miklasz article 45 minutes ago

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According to the metric specialists at the essential Corsica Hockey, Minnesota has only six even-strength shot attempts on rebounds. And you can make that a mere seven rebound shot attempts in all situations.

Think about that for a second…

To repeat …

The Wild have put 94 even-strength shots on goal this series, and only six have come on rebound attempts. That’s represents a puny 6.38 percent of their 5-on-5 shot total.
And in all situations, only seven of the Wild’s 117 shots on goal were put there by rebounds … or 5.98 percent.


Like most pundits are saying - the Blues are defending their house and protecting Allen. The Wild writer completely ignored this.

And a few more things from same source
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— The Blues’ have quelled the Wild’s odd-man rush game with disciplined zone defense and sound positioning. Minnesota has only six shots on goal off the rush over the first three games. Despite being at an acute disadvantage in puck possession, the Blues have nearly as many shots (four) on rushes.

— According to Corsica, the average distance of even-strength shots launched at Allen in the series is 38.08 feet. Only two of the 16 postseason teams have kept opponents shooting from a longer average distance. This is notable for another reason: during the regular season, the Wild’s average shooting distance was 31.31 feet at even strength. The Blues’ collapsing zone has forced Minnesota to shoot from a deeper distance than usual.

— And that, of course, goes a long way in explaining why Allen has faced a heavy volume of low-danger shots in this series. The count: 62 low-danger shots in all situations; 53 low-danger shots at even strength. And he’s stopped every one of them. Jake has also made saves on all 33 medium-danger shots including 27 coming at even strength.

–– Minnesota has only 14 high-danger shots against Allen at even strength. He’s made saves on 13 of the 14.

— That .928 save percentage on high-danger shots is remarkable. As a point of reference, Allen had an .812 save percentage on high-danger shots at even strength this season. And during his regular-season hot streak that began Feb. 2, Allen’s save percentage on high-danger shots was .857.


In other word, the Blues are playing strong defense and Allen is not only stopping everything he should, he's stopping almost everything that is going in for other teams.

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