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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 7:30 am 
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Will return to full-time duties as Assistant GM.

https://www.nhl.com/news/martin-brodeur-will-not-be-st-louis-blues-goalie-coach-next-season/c-289371070
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ST. LOUIS -- Martin Brodeur will not return as St. Louis Blues goaltending coach next season.

Brodeur, who will remain Blues assistant general manager, replaced Jim Corsi when he was fired along with coach Ken Hitchcock on Feb. 1.

"Marty's coaching career is coming to a halt," Blues general manager Doug Armstrong said Tuesday.

Mike Yeo, who replaced Hitchcock and worked with Brodeur, made sure to add, "[Brodeur] wasn't fired, just for the record."

Brodeur worked well with Blues goalie Jake Allen. In 25 games after Brodeur replaced Corsi, Allen was 16-7-2 with a 1.85 goals-against average, .938 save percentage and three shutouts.

The strong play carried into the 2017 Stanley Cup Playoffs, where Allen was 6-5 with a 1.96 GAA and .935 save percentage. The Blues reached the Western Conference Second Round, where they were eliminated by the Nashville Predators in six games.

Allen went 17-13-3 with a 2.87 GAA, .895 save percentage and one shutout in his 36 games before the coaching change.

Armstrong said Brodeur will lead the search for a new goaltending coach.

"Marty's going to take the lead on that in the sense that he knows Jake's personality," Armstrong said. "... We're not going to just let Jake pick the goalie coach, but Marty knows what makes him tick and we're going to try to find the attributes of a goalie coach that can help Jake. But we've also got [goalie Ville] Husso coming, we've got [Carter Hutton] here. We're going to get an organizational guy but focused on what's going to give Jake the chance to have the best success."

Allen said he appreciated the chance to work with Brodeur, a three-time Stanley Cup champion who is the NHL leader in wins (691), shutouts (125) and games played (1,266) and was named one of the 100 Greatest NHL Players presented by Molson Canadian.

"I've been very fortunate to play with him, him be my boss, now my goalie coach, now back to my boss," Allen said. "He was great for me. He was great for [Hutton]. He was light, didn't change much, and I think that was a key. I think if he came in here and tried to swing things around it could have gone a different way. But he just gave us some confidence, he was a good sounding board, and it worked out really well.

"Who knows what next year holds, but this year was great."

Ty Conklin, who shared the goaltending coaching responsibilities with Brodeur, will continue as goalie developmental coach, assisting goalies in the Blues farm system.


Probably the right thing to do, but damn, you can't argue with the results he got out of Allen.

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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2017 10:45 am 
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Yea saw this yesterday.

At least he's still "in the system." All you can hope is that Allen learned a lot and that the lessons stay. At least Brodeur is still technically "on hand" if he's needed.

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Brodeur is trying to become a general manager. Finding a goalie coach - a general manager's job. :)

Hard to do and learn the asst gm job, which involves quite a bit of scouting, and be a goalie coach for the NHL team. Right move.

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Also interesting Brodeur declined a conversation about the Buffalo GM position. Perhaps he doesn't feel ready, has another job in mind, or is Doug's heir apparent?

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Also interesting Brodeur declined a conversation about the Buffalo GM position. Perhaps he doesn't feel ready, has another job in mind, or is Doug's heir apparent?

Not any time soon. It takes years to learn the GM position. From another thread.

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I'm not sure Brodeur is ready to be general manager. He's been an assistant GM for 2 years and not even a full 2 years in either year at that. 15-16 - one full season as Asst GM. 2016-17 Asst GM/Goalie coach this season. Brodeur likely turned down Buffalo for more reasons than it's friggin' Buffalo, including his own lack of experience to be a GM. Pushing Brodeur into a GM role before he's had time to learn would be a mistake. If one looks at the successful former NHL player turned successful GM, they all took their time before moving into a GM role. Brodeur was still playing goaltender in January of 2015.

This. Steve Yzerman was an understudy to Ken Holland in Detroit for 4 years before going to Tampa; not a chance Brodeur has gained anything close to the same seasoning under a GM that's maybe half as good and much less experienced than Holland in half the time.

Ron Hextall is another example of learning a ton before becoming a GM.
Flyers Pro Scout for 3 years
Flyers Director of Player Development for 4 years
Kings VP and Asst GM 6 years while also serving as Manchester Monarchs GM. Stanley Cup win in that Kings stint.
And after all that - finally took over as Flyers GM in 2013 where he is doing outstanding.

And folks want to make Brodeur a GM already??? Recipe for disaster.

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Yeah I missed that in the other thread; my apologies.

I mean they made him the assistant GM with zero experience as a scout or with anything front office related. It's either he gets it, Armstrong's extended, or they hire some old, recycled GM. Pick your poison. Unless you have someone better in mind.

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Not alot of information about more experienced assistant GMs out there, which is where to look until Brodeur has more time under his belt.

Buffalo going with Botteril was very smart. His resume:
2007 Penguins Director of Hockey Administration - responsible for salary cap, contract negotiations, and some scouting
2009 Penguins Asst GM
2017 Buffalo GM

That's 10 years of experience before taking on a full general manager role and being involved in a transition which leaned heavily on their AHL team and younger players vice holding on to older veterans.

Names to consider with more experience right now:
Blackhawks Norm MacIver (11 years experience): 06-10 Director of Player Development, 11-12 Director of Player Personnel, 13-present Asst GM
Former Kings GM Dean Lombardi (no idea how many years experience, but more than 11)
Lightning Asst GM Julien Brisebois (14 years experience in management role):
Brisebois background wrote:
(2010 to present) He reports to Lightning vice president and general manager Steve Yzerman and assists him in all aspects of player personnel decisions, analytics, contract preparation and negotiation, as well as salary arbitration for the Lightning and the Syracuse Crunch of the American Hockey League, for whom he also serves as general manager. BriseBois also manages interpretation of the NHL’s collective bargaining agreement and the salary cap for Tampa Bay.
As general manager of the Lightning’s top affiliate, the Syracuse Crunch, BriseBois has been the architect of teams that reached the Calder Cup Finals in two of the previous three seasons, including winning the championship in 2012. With the Lightning’s emphasis on drafting and development, the Crunch play an integral role in Tampa Bay’s success. During BriseBois’ tenure overseeing the Lightning’s top minor league affiliate, they have produced two AHL most valuable players, a defenseman of the year and have graduated numerous key players including 2013–2014 Calder Trophy Finalists Tyler Johnson and Ondrej Palat as well as head coach Jon Cooper.
During the 2011–2012 season, BriseBois’ Norfolk Admirals set a professional sports record with a 28-game winning streak that propelled Norfolk to the AHL’s best regular season record. The team’s regular season success continued in the playoffs as the Admirals won the organization’s first Calder Cup, the first championship by a Lightning AHL affiliate. BriseBois was instrumental in helping build the organization’s depth with signings that proved instrumental to the Lightning and the Admirals, demonstrated by nine players being recalled to Tampa Bay during the season. In 2010–2011 the Hockey News recognized BriseBois as the top hockey executive under 40 years of age in their annual “Top 40 Under 40” listing.
Prior to coming to Tampa Bay, BriseBois spent nine seasons with the Montreal Canadiens after joining the organization on September 1, 2001 as director of legal affairs. In July 2003 he added director of hockey operations to his duties before being named vice president of hockey operations on July 24, 2006. In this capacity, BriseBois oversaw the Canadiens’ AHL affiliate, the Hamilton Bulldogs. The Bulldogs went on to win the 2007 Calder Cup during the first season under BriseBois’ direction. On August 23, 2007 BriseBois was named the general manager of the Hamilton Bulldogs, making him the youngest in the AHL at the time.
As an American Hockey League general manager, BriseBois has hired two head coaches that have won the Louis A.R. Pieri Award as the AHL’s outstanding coach of the year (Guy Boucher – Hamilton Bulldogs 2009–2010; Jon Cooper – Norfolk Admirals 2011–2012).


So those are all better options with more experience. Some of the guys Brisebois signed for the Crunch who wound up filling in this season for the Lightning weren't even drafted.

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