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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:08 am 
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Download Uproar: Record Industry Goes After Personal Use

Despite more than 20,000 lawsuits filed against music fans in the years since they started finding free tunes online rather than buying CDs from record companies, the recording industry has utterly failed to halt the decline of the record album or the rise of digital music sharing.

Still, hardly a month goes by without a news release from the industry's lobby, the Recording Industry Association of America, touting a new wave of letters to college students and others demanding a settlement payment and threatening a legal battle.

Now, in an unusual case in which an Arizona recipient of an RIAA letter has fought back in court rather than write a check to avoid hefty legal fees, the industry is taking its argument against music sharing one step further: In legal documents in its federal case against Jeffrey Howell, a Scottsdale, Ariz., man who kept a collection of about 2,000 music recordings on his personal computer, the industry maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer.

The industry's lawyer in the case, Ira Schwartz, argues in a brief filed earlier this month that the MP3 files Howell made on his computer from legally bought CDs are "unauthorized copies" of copyrighted recordings.

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," says Ray Beckerman, a New York lawyer who represents six clients who have been sued by the RIAA. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

RIAA's hard-line position seems clear. Its Web site says: "If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you're stealing. You're breaking the law and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages."

They're not kidding. In October, after a trial in Minnesota -- the first time the industry has made its case before a federal jury -- Jammie Thomas was ordered to pay $220,000 to the big record companies. That's $9,250 for each of 24 songs she was accused of sharing online.

Whether customers may copy their CDs onto their computers -- an act at the very heart of the digital revolution -- has a murky legal foundation, the RIAA argues. The industry's own Web site says that making a personal copy of a CD that you bought legitimately may not be a legal right, but it "won't usually raise concerns," as long as you don't give away the music or lend it to anyone.

Of course, that's exactly what millions of people do every day. In a Los Angeles Times poll, 69 percent of teenagers surveyed said they thought it was legal to copy a CD they own and give it to a friend. The RIAA cites a study that found that more than half of current college students download music and movies illegally.

The Howell case was not the first time the industry has argued that making a personal copy from a legally purchased CD is illegal. At the Thomas trial in Minnesota, Sony BMG's chief of litigation, Jennifer Pariser, testified that "when an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Copying a song you bought is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,' " she said.

But lawyers for consumers point to a series of court rulings over the last few decades that found no violation of copyright law in the use of VCRs and other devices to time-shift TV programs; that is, to make personal copies for the purpose of making portable a legally obtained recording.

As technologies evolve, old media companies tend not to be the source of the innovation that allows them to survive. Even so, new technologies don't usually kill off old media: That's the good news for the recording industry, as for the TV, movie, newspaper and magazine businesses. But for those old media to survive, they must adapt, finding new business models and new, compelling content to offer.

The RIAA's legal crusade against its customers is a classic example of an old media company clinging to a business model that has collapsed. Four years of a failed strategy has only "created a whole market of people who specifically look to buy independent goods so as not to deal with the big record companies," Beckerman says. "Every problem they're trying to solve is worse now than when they started."

The industry "will continue to bring lawsuits" against those who "ignore years of warnings," RIAA spokesman Jonathan Lamy said in a statement. "It's not our first choice, but it's a necessary part of the equation. There are consequences for breaking the law." And, perhaps, for firing up your computer.

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I honestly think that the RIAA, like so many other teams of lawyers, rationalizes obviously wrongful lawsuits like this in hopes that people just pay up. They were just looking for a handout, who knows how many they pulled off before somebody made a media spectacle out of it and actually fought the bastards.

I met a family at Best Buy when I was in the computer section talking about how they paid out $7,000 to to RIAA to settle over some downloads their ten-year-old daughter engaged in. They had no idea what even happened, they simply could afford to pay it so they did.

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Jesus Christ, that's absolutely unbelievable. There is no freaking way it's illegal for me to rip a CD--for which I've already paid--onto my personal computer for the purpose of creating a backup copy. I assume they want me to go buy 10 of the same disc in case one of them ever develops problems.

Yeah, good luck enforcing that one, assholes.


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:lol:

This is a great development in the history of meltage!!!!

btw, I didn't disagree with what they did before but this is overboard.

And sadly, this will translate to $200 for a concert ticket.

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Jesus Christ, that's absolutely unbelievable. There is no freaking way it's illegal for me to rip a CD--for which I've already paid--onto my personal computer for the purpose of creating a backup copy. I assume they want me to go buy 10 of the same disc in case one of them ever develops problems.

Yeah, good luck enforcing that one, assholes.


It's not just that- I use the cd AS my back-up copy. My itunes and ipod are my primary sources for all my music- its all right there, its organized and easily accesible, I love it. Why the hell is it illegal for me to enjoy my own music that I legally purchased in a way I see fit?

:roll: *sigh*

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Why the hell is it illegal for me to enjoy my own music that I legally purchased in a way I see fit?


It's not. Have a cock and relax.

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Shut up and buy more CD's.

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Why the hell is it illegal for me to enjoy my own music that I legally purchased in a way I see fit?


It's not. Have a cock and relax.

If he finds one he'll try it and let you know.

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Why the hell is it illegal for me to enjoy my own music that I legally purchased in a way I see fit?


It's not. Have a cock and relax.

If he finds one he'll try it and let you know.


Are you trying to be funny,
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Why the hell is it illegal for me to enjoy my own music that I legally purchased in a way I see fit?


It's not. Have a cock and relax.

If he finds one he'll try it and let you know.


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Why the hell is it illegal for me to enjoy my own music that I legally purchased in a way I see fit?


It's not. Have a cock and relax.
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The heaving sighs of this organization losing its grip on their product. Deal with it...the day of the recorded piece of plastic is done.


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This thread is approaching HOF status already! It just needs a drunken JTA post now.

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This thread is approaching HOF status already! It just needs a drunken JTA post now.


I'm in the process of getting inebriated and I will get back to this thread very soon.

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The end game for the RIAA is pay-per-play, and if they pay enough money into our corrupted political system they WILL eventually get it.

The only way to legally, effectively stick it to them is to not support them.

Don't buy any of their CDs.

Don't buy any DVDs from them either.

And don't buy any video games, since the Big 3 are also part owners in some of the more well-known software publishers.

If they ever mandate that I have to watch their crap and pay for it, then all bets are off, and trucks full of explosives are going into buildings in LA...but for now I do just fine supporting independent artists all over the planet that have zero to do with the RIAA, and are infinitely more talented and interesting than anything they have to offer.

RIAA can go f*ck itself.


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Why the hell is it illegal for me to enjoy my own music that I legally purchased in a way I see fit?


It's not. Have a cock and relax.

If he finds one he'll try it and let you know.


Are you trying to be funny,
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:lol:


Were you?

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Were you?


stalker says what?

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The end game for the RIAA is pay-per-play, and if they pay enough money into our corrupted political system they WILL eventually get it.

The only way to legally, effectively stick it to them is to not support them.

Don't buy any of their CDs.

Don't buy any DVDs from them either.

And don't buy any video games, since the Big 3 are also part owners in some of the more well-known software publishers.

If they ever mandate that I have to watch their crap and pay for it, then all bets are off, and trucks full of explosives are going into buildings in LA...but for now I do just fine supporting independent artists all over the planet that have zero to do with the RIAA, and are infinitely more talented and interesting than anything they have to offer.

RIAA can go f*ck itself.


YES!!!!

I like what this motherf***er has to say!

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Why the hell is it illegal for me to enjoy my own music that I legally purchased in a way I see fit?


It's not. Have a cock and relax.


I wasn't being absolutely politically correct- forgive me oh anal one.

Here's the smart-ass-proof version.

"I do not see the logic in a judge ruling in favor of the RIAA that would push to make it illegal for individuals to purchase music legally on a compact disc or other method of music storage and then restrict the use thereof of said music; in this instance, the transfer of this music to a computer hard drive or media player on said device."

You understand me now?

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