Wings fan, YOU are the one who has been schooled but you are just in DENIAL! WHY do you think practically EVERY western nation has tough immigration laws and border security? It would destroy the economy and social structure of a society if you simply had open borders and let people walk in!
I know someone trying to get a work permit to the EU and it's very hard! He can only get a 6 month tourist visa and he is a good American citizen like the rest of us! It's because they have strong immigration laws!
You want to destroy America by letting anyone just walk in here! You can't name a single nation on earth that has such a foolish open borders policy! Especially not in the west since that would destroy our standard of living!
I don't know if you can actually read, because your post above has nothing to do with anything I have said in my posts. Nada.
Quote me where I say "let anyone in" please. Quote where I advocate for "open borders." You can't. I have never advocated for changing the laws, amnesty, or anything other than examination of the status quo in America. Just looking at where we are right now, right here.
We are not talking about "Every Western Nation" in this discussion. They have socialized medicine in most Western Nations too, are you for that as well? Their economies by and large lag behind ours, you want that too? You cannot draw a direct parallel from Europe or anywhere else to prove your point here. You need to look at our unique nation, its laws, its geography, and its history; the specific relevant conditions of our immigration issues.
Your friend is trying to immigrate legally, which is hard to do here too, btw. It is not easy to get a work visa in the USA if you aren't a refugee. This is exactly why so many people immigrate illegally. Did you know that despite their "strong immigration laws" they have issues with illegals in Europe as well? A law doesn't solve shit. We have laws against speeding, you know people who speed all the time. Did the strong law stop it?
The USA always has been, and always will be, a unique situation with respect to immigration. Part of it is how successful we are versus pretty much everything South of us for 6k miles. No really, it's pretty much a destitute shithole from Brownsville, Texas (which, I will confess, is a shithole too, tbh) to Ushuaia with a couple of bright spots in between. Chile isn't too bad, actually; nice folks there. So these people need to go somewhere and for lack of better options they work to get here. Some make it, some don't. This isn't a new phenomena, and that's what you are missing. We had waves of people immigrate from Europe... many of them were illegal as well... and they (Franking) built this nation into what it is today.
But if you are interested, you can find a concise history of US immigration laws here
. Of note is the following passage:
In 1965, Congress abandoned the quota system and based immigration acceptance on the relative "need" of each applicant. Under the new system, a certain number of people were allowed entrance for labor, family unification and political asylum. The new system greatly restricted immigration from Mexico and Central and South America, and led to an increase in illegal immigration.
I know this is subtle, but I am asking you to step outside your bias and look at the current situation
, the status quo
. We already have, by your own admission, millions of illegals in this country. Is our economy destroyed already? Where is this doomsday you promise? Were there no illegals in the country until the last 50 years? Why is this a problem NOW?
I don't see the destruction caused by immigration; show me where it is. My stock portfolio had a fantastic year, which, by your logic, would be impossible with all these damn immigrants sucking us dry. Violent crime continues a downward trend. I got a nice raise last year at work. We are doing well around my neighborhood. I am not seeing this cataclysm you promise.
What I do see is the low price on my high quality new roof, tasty cheap fast food, and quality lawn care at an affordable price. Not to mention there's a SWEET new taqueria opened up down the road (no, really, that shit is tasty as all hell, man).
Immigration reform is a red herring
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