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[Toasted Oates]

Guys, this is typical Hawk fan fodder. Your squad has had a hell of a run the past few years. Two Stanley Cups in such short a span is nothing to scoff at. But, frankly, I find any Chicago fan's snooty attitude hilarious. We are natural rivals. The games speak for themselves and I'd bet the farm the players agree. You want to cling to the Canucks and act like we're nothing until these Blues beat these Blackhawks? That's fine, and I certainly look forward to that day.

Enjoy your vacation in your ivory tower. Watch that fall, though. It's a doozy.

[Oaklandblue]

I hate to say it, but it means quite abit more to beat the Hawks than it would be for them to beat us. We haven't won a Stanley Cup; they've won a few and gone through us a few times to get them. They have nothing to prove on that end. We have everything to. I don't believe Kerfuffle's talking trash or trying to challenge fans here, he's stating, in my eyes, the truth and until we hoist the Cup, it's a pretty accurate one and if you paraphrase his post like this:

You guys have more of a rivalry with us than we have with you. -------- in Chicago.--------.

I think that says it all. No harm, no foul in my eyes.

Mentioning the North Stars at the end is just being honest because I remember some of those games and they were not pretty.

The only place I have to call it on any of this is, Vancouver....Kerfuffle, please explain to me how...Vancouver....?

[cprice12]

The Hockey News list the Blues - Hawks rivalry as the 4th best in the NHL:
http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/pensf ... rivalries/

Bleacher Report has them 5th:


Fansided lists it as 3rd:
http://fansided.com/2014/11/19/nhl-5-be ... valries/4/

Most sites I found had the Blues and Hawks listed as one of the best rivalries in the NHL today. Some didn't. No list had the Hawks with three bigger rivals than the Blues. Not that any of those mean anything really...it's just some blogger's opinion...but still.

Personally, I don't really care if some Hawk fans don't think the Blues are a major rival (I think that's ridiculous btw, but whatever)...not a big deal.
For the better part of the last 20 years the Wings were our most hated rival, their fans pulled the same thing and said that they didn't consider us a big rival (even though, when interviewed, a number of the Wings players said St. Louis was one of their biggest rivals...so...) ...but then they moved to the East and then the Hawks got better, and that rivalry heated back up.

I get great satisfaction in beating Chicago...more than any other team. And I hate losing to them more than any other team. So, to me (and others may have different opinions, and that's fine) the Hawks are clearly our biggest rival...and I couldn't care less who Hawk fans feel is their biggest rival. It doesn't matter. I am not a Hawk fan, so why should I care?
Let them hate who they want to hate. If they want to waste a pick on Vancouver...then that's their problem.

LA isn't in our division. But you could make a case for them being our biggest rival because of the playoff matchups we've had with them lately.
Detroit is still hated passionately here...but we only play them twice now, so that rivalry has naturally fizzled.

When we beat Chicago in the playoffs this year, maybe then Hawk fans like Kerfuffle will feel differently about the rivalry since we'll have beaten them in 3 of the last 4 playoff matchups.

[Portland Blues]

Nashville gets 2 more points tonight.

[cprice12]

Nashville gets 2 more points tonight.

God Arizona is really bad. They were horrible in the 3rd and in OT. They may have been horrible all game, but that's all I got to watch.

Nashville didn't impress me at all. If they were playing just about anyone else, they'd have lost easily. Rinne was good...but that was about it from what I saw.

[JesusNEVERexisted]

Best rivalry in all of hockey and one of the best in ALL sports!

You guys have more of a rivalry with us than we have with you. Blues/Hawks is definitely not the biggest rivalry for us in Chicago. It's Detroit, Vancouver, and LA Kings as our hated rivals. 25 years ago it was the Minnesota North Stars and Detroit.

Ok, I'll admit it since you guys have already figured it out. I like the Hawks. Da Hawks! But I'm here in St.Louis so I can't go around town wearing a Hawks jersey or anything. Did you know the Hawks are America's team? Actually North America's team because they have more fans than ANY other team across North America!

But since Kerfuffle was here before me it's ok.

You wanna bet there are other closet Hawks fans on here? Plus the most important thing is that we're fans of ice hockey! Hockey is still the #4 sport in America so we need FANS! Especially with more dummies watching stupid sucker!

[Oaklandblue]

When we beat Chicago in the playoffs this year, maybe then Hawk fans like Kerfuffle will feel differently about the rivalry since we'll have beaten them in 3 of the last 4 playoff matchups.

You understand the last time we beat the Hawks was in 2001, right? That's....14 years ago.
We had Coach Q, didn't win a Cup.
They got Coach Q and two cups later.

For us, the Hawks are our main rival for good reason. The other way around, it's pretty obvious that we aren't. That's just my opinion on it. They proved their case and got the hardware, now it's our turn and until we do...

[Oaklandblue]

Plus the most important thing is that we're fans of ice hockey![/b] Hockey is still the #4 sport in America so we need FANS! Especially with more dummies watching stupid sucker!

You understand you're posting this on a branded ->>Blues<<- website and forum, right?

[cprice12]

When we beat Chicago in the playoffs this year, maybe then Hawk fans like Kerfuffle will feel differently about the rivalry since we'll have beaten them in 3 of the last 4 playoff matchups.

You understand the last time we beat the Hawks was in 2001, right? That's....14 years ago.
We had Coach Q, didn't win a Cup.
They got Coach Q and two cups later.

Yeah. And?
We lost to Detroit in 2OT of game 7, 18 years ago.
If we win a cup this year or next or whenever...I'll still hate Detroit pretty much the same.
Since when does the lack of a championship mean a team can't be a heated rival?
Vancouver doesn't have a cup...but some Hawk fans apparently consider them a big rival.
Cubs v. Cardinals (yeah, I know the Cubs have some championships...but it's been well over 100 years, so it's like they don't.)

For us, the Hawks are our main rival for good reason. The other way around, it's pretty obvious that we aren't. That's just my opinion on it. They proved their case and got the hardware, now it's our turn and until we do...

The Hawks are our main rival because:
1) We have a long history with them.
2) We've been in the same division for forever.
3) We have had some historic brawls and we've each beaten each other a few times in the playoffs...not to mention last year's epic 6 game series.
4) The sweep from 1993 is enough for Hawks fans (at least if I was a Hawk fan) to hate the Blues for life. They had cup hopes that year, finished 1st overall...we made the playoffs on the last day of the season, and we swept them in Rd. 1. Just like how we hated San Jose for a long time...still do...because of what they did to us in our President's Trophy year in Rd. 1.

Like I said in another post...I don't care if some Hawk fans consider us their biggest rival or not. I'm not sure why that matters. I'll still hate them just the same either way.

[Kerfuffle]

Some people are pretty offended here that I stated that the Blues are not our biggest rival - I don't understand why people are upset about that and it seems pretty petty. To each's own. And other than last year when's the last time our teams faced each other in the playoffs - 2002 is the last one I recall. The days of Tony Twist vs. Bob Probert are long gone - those were the bitter rivalry days I recall but I'm an older guy so I know the 20-somethings here won't remember that. Detroit will always be our biggest rival. Vancouver is a huge rival to us - we've had some nasty games against them including the Alex Burrows hair pulling incident and other complete brawls on the ice. You guys don't watch Hawks vs Vancouver games - I get it - just like I don't watch Blues games except when they are playing the Hawks. So therefore I don't expect you to see why we have a rivalry with Vancouver. But everyone in Chicago knows we do. And the Kings are a big rival cause we've faced them in round 3 the last 2 years. Just because St. Louis is not the 'biggest' rival to Chicago it does not mean they are no rival at all - nor does it mean that the Blues are somehow being "disrespected".

[JesusNEVERexisted]

When we beat Chicago in the playoffs this year, maybe then Hawk fans like Kerfuffle will feel differently about the rivalry since we'll have beaten them in 3 of the last 4 playoff matchups.

You understand the last time we beat the Hawks was in 2001, right? That's....14 years ago.
We had Coach Q, didn't win a Cup.
They got Coach Q and two cups later.

For us, the Hawks are our main rival for good reason. The other way around, it's pretty obvious that we aren't. That's just my opinion on it. They proved their case and got the hardware, now it's our turn and until we do...

Looking back on it, it's hard to believe that unlimited wallet NO salary cap Laurie Blues never made it to a Cup with Coach Q. Did get to the conference finals though.

[glen a richter]

Best rivalry in all of hockey and one of the best in ALL sports!

You guys have more of a rivalry with us than we have with you. Blues/Hawks is definitely not the biggest rivalry for us in Chicago. It's Detroit, Vancouver, and LA Kings as our hated rivals. 25 years ago it was the Minnesota North Stars and Detroit.

Ok, I'll admit it since you guys have already figured it out. I like the Hawks. Da Hawks! But I'm here in St.Louis so I can't go around town wearing a Hawks jersey or anything. Did you know the Hawks are America's team? Actually North America's team because they have more fans than ANY other team across North America!

But since Kerfuffle was here before me it's ok.

You wanna bet there are other closet Hawks fans on here? Plus the most important thing is that we're fans of ice hockey! Hockey is still the #4 sport in America so we need FANS! Especially with more dummies watching stupid sucker!

And he finally admits what we've known all along. Your man crush on Patrick Kane was a giveaway. Also your sudden appearance just as the Hawks are taking control of the playoff series last year, fairly obvious.

One thing we also all know for a 100% fact is you're most certainly not a Blues fan.

The difference between you and Kerfuffle is that Kerfuffle isn't an annoying troll.

[Kerfuffle]

Ok, I'll admit it since you guys have already figured it out. I like the Hawks. Da Hawks! But I'm here in St.Louis so I can't go around town wearing a Hawks jersey or anything. Did you know the Hawks are America's team? Actually North America's team because they have more fans than ANY other team across North America!

But since Kerfuffle was here before me it's ok.

You wanna bet there are other closet Hawks fans on here? Plus the most important thing is that we're fans of ice hockey! Hockey is still the #4 sport in America so we need FANS! Especially with more dummies watching stupid sucker!

It's always a good thing to identify yourself up front on other forums - that's why I use a Hawks avatar. People don't like the undercover, incognito, hiding in the background stuff. I don't hide my allegiance and I think you would have been better off being honest when you joined. I enjoy participating on multiple non-Hawks boards - I find a deep love of hockey with other fans and different insight into the game along with different points of view. I got tired of the Hawks board with everyone in agreement - and it gets tiring hearing 'Kane is god' along with the 'Trade Kane and Toews' threads from the teenagers that just became 'fans' when the bandwagon started rolling. Always be upfront and honest.

[drwoland]

There aren't many reasons specific to a sports forum I can think of for banning someone, but if I could think of one, "Lying about your sports team allegiance" would probably be it. What a tool

[cprice12]

Ok, I'll admit it since you guys have already figured it out. I like the Hawks. Da Hawks! But I'm here in St.Louis so I can't go around town wearing a Hawks jersey or anything. Did you know the Hawks are America's team? Actually North America's team because they have more fans than ANY other team across North America!

But since Kerfuffle was here before me it's ok.

You wanna bet there are other closet Hawks fans on here? Plus the most important thing is that we're fans of ice hockey! Hockey is still the #4 sport in America so we need FANS! Especially with more dummies watching stupid sucker!

It's always a good thing to identify yourself up front on other forums - that's why I use a Hawks avatar. People don't like the undercover, incognito, hiding in the background stuff. I don't hide my allegiance and I think you would have been better off being honest when you joined. I enjoy participating on multiple non-Hawks boards - I find a deep love of hockey with other fans and different insight into the game along with different points of view. I got tired of the Hawks board with everyone in agreement - and it gets tiring hearing 'Kane is god' along with the 'Trade Kane and Toews' threads from the teenagers that just became 'fans' when the bandwagon started rolling. Always be upfront and honest.

He is your responsibility now.

[cardsfan04]

Some people are pretty offended here that I stated that the Blues are not our biggest rival - I don't understand why people are upset about that and it seems pretty petty. To each's own. And other than last year when's the last time our teams faced each other in the playoffs - 2002 is the last one I recall. The days of Tony Twist vs. Bob Probert are long gone - those were the bitter rivalry days I recall but I'm an older guy so I know the 20-somethings here won't remember that. Detroit will always be our biggest rival. Vancouver is a huge rival to us - we've had some nasty games against them including the Alex Burrows hair pulling incident and other complete brawls on the ice. You guys don't watch Hawks vs Vancouver games - I get it - just like I don't watch Blues games except when they are playing the Hawks. So therefore I don't expect you to see why we have a rivalry with Vancouver. But everyone in Chicago knows we do. And the Kings are a big rival cause we've faced them in round 3 the last 2 years. Just because St. Louis is not the 'biggest' rival to Chicago it does not mean they are no rival at all - nor does it mean that the Blues are somehow being "disrespected".

I just don't think it's true that we're your 4th biggest rival. I'm not offended by it, but I definitely thought you were saying it to goad us. If you want to say it's bigger from our end than yours, I'm ok with that. It's probably true. But, 2 of the 3 you listed ahead of us are only because of recent playoff series. Rivalries like that die out after a few years if you don't keep playing in the playoffs. Blues/blackhawks rivalry, even if it's bigger from our end, will absolutely be there in 10 years. The others you mentioned might not.

[Kerfuffle]

I just don't think it's true that we're your 4th biggest rival. I'm not offended by it, but I definitely thought you were saying it to goad us.

I've been here almost a year - when have I ever goaded anyone before? If you're trying to read something more you will find it, no matter what I say.

If you want to say it's bigger from our end than yours, I'm ok with that. It's probably true.

That's what I did say in my previous post, first sentence.

But, 2 of the 3 you listed ahead of us are only because of recent playoff series. Rivalries like that die out after a few years if you don't keep playing in the playoffs. Blues/blackhawks rivalry, even if it's bigger from our end, will absolutely be there in 10 years. The others you mentioned might not

That's true but I wasn't referring to rivalries 20 years ago - I was referring to now. How many Blues fans would say the Hawks were your #1 rival BEFORE last year's playoff series? Few and far between. It is only because of that playoff series that we are #1 rival in the minds of many Blues fans.

[JesusNEVERexisted]

Ok, I'll admit it since you guys have already figured it out. I like the Hawks. Da Hawks! But I'm here in St.Louis so I can't go around town wearing a Hawks jersey or anything. Did you know the Hawks are America's team? Actually North America's team because they have more fans than ANY other team across North America!

But since Kerfuffle was here before me it's ok.

You wanna bet there are other closet Hawks fans on here? Plus the most important thing is that we're fans of ice hockey! Hockey is still the #4 sport in America so we need FANS! Especially with more dummies watching stupid sucker!

It's always a good thing to identify yourself up front on other forums - that's why I use a Hawks avatar. People don't like the undercover, incognito, hiding in the background stuff. I don't hide my allegiance and I think you would have been better off being honest when you joined. I enjoy participating on multiple non-Hawks boards - I find a deep love of hockey with other fans and different insight into the game along with different points of view. I got tired of the Hawks board with everyone in agreement - and it gets tiring hearing 'Kane is god' along with the 'Trade Kane and Toews' threads from the teenagers that just became 'fans' when the bandwagon started rolling. Always be upfront and honest.

I agree so that's why I came out of the closet. Anyone else want to come out of the closet?

I don't dislike the Blues. I grew up on Sutter, Federko, Ramage, Gilmour, Mark Hunter, etc. I always wanted THAT team to win the Cup! Things just change in life. I also like the Caps though not as much as Da Hawks.

[cardsfan04]

I just don't think it's true that we're your 4th biggest rival. I'm not offended by it, but I definitely thought you were saying it to goad us.

I've been here almost a year - when have I ever goaded anyone before? If you're trying to read something more you will find it, no matter what I say.

If you want to say it's bigger from our end than yours, I'm ok with that. It's probably true.

That's what I did say in my previous post, first sentence.

But, 2 of the 3 you listed ahead of us are only because of recent playoff series. Rivalries like that die out after a few years if you don't keep playing in the playoffs. Blues/blackhawks rivalry, even if it's bigger from our end, will absolutely be there in 10 years. The others you mentioned might not

That's true but I wasn't referring to rivalries 20 years ago - I was referring to now. How many Blues fans would say the Hawks were your #1 rival BEFORE last year's playoff series? Few and far between. It is only because of that playoff series that we are #1 rival in the minds of many Blues fans.

Again, I wasn't offended. You're right that you don't typically stir the pot, so maybe it was a poor assumption. But, when an opposing fan of our biggest rival says both that we're only your 4th biggest rival and that the rivalry is bigger from our end than yours, I don't think that's an outrageous assumption. I didn't really think I was being antagonistic by saying I thought you were trying to get our goad really.

I don't think your last point is true though. I've considered you our biggest rivals my entire life with only detroit coming close. After detroit moved to the East, I think it was widely accepted that you were our biggest rivals, even before the playoffs last year. Some would say the Kings, but that's only because of 9 playoff games. To me, a temporary rivalry is never bigger than a permanent rivalry and Blues/blackhawks have a permanent rivalry.

[gaijin]

I just don't think it's true that we're your 4th biggest rival. I'm not offended by it, but I definitely thought you were saying it to goad us.

I've been here almost a year - when have I ever goaded anyone before? If you're trying to read something more you will find it, no matter what I say.

If you want to say it's bigger from our end than yours, I'm ok with that. It's probably true.

That's what I did say in my previous post, first sentence.

But, 2 of the 3 you listed ahead of us are only because of recent playoff series. Rivalries like that die out after a few years if you don't keep playing in the playoffs. Blues/blackhawks rivalry, even if it's bigger from our end, will absolutely be there in 10 years. The others you mentioned might not

That's true but I wasn't referring to rivalries 20 years ago - I was referring to now. How many Blues fans would say the Hawks were your #1 rival BEFORE last year's playoff series? Few and far between. It is only because of that playoff series that we are #1 rival in the minds of many Blues fans.

Again, I wasn't offended. You're right that you don't typically stir the pot, so maybe it was a poor assumption. But, when an opposing fan of our biggest rival says both that we're only your 4th biggest rival and that the rivalry is bigger from our end than yours, I don't think that's an outrageous assumption. I didn't really think I was being antagonistic by saying I thought you were trying to get our goad really.

I don't think your last point is true though. I've considered you our biggest rivals my entire life with only detroit coming close. After detroit moved to the East, I think it was widely accepted that you were our biggest rivals, even before the playoffs last year. Some would say the Kings, but that's only because of 9 playoff games. To me, a temporary rivalry is never bigger than a permanent rivalry and Blues/blackhawks have a permanent rivalry.

This paragraph right here. For me it was ALWAYS Detroit and Chicago, and which I hated more depended on which just eliminated us from the playoffs again. Since I really started paying attention to hockey in the 90s, it's mostly been Detroit. Beyond those two, I consider the teams other people mention as rivals, but not to the same level as Detroit/Chicago. Now that Detroit is in the East (as previously mentioned)... and then there was one. Those other rivalries grow and fade year by year (to me), but Chicago and Detroit have special places in my heart.

And I think one-way rivalries do happen. A couple years ago, someone said the Preds felt we were their biggest rivals, while we didn't necessarily feel the same way about them. Perhaps one could say the same about Columbus (again, before they moved East).

I think there's a balance between teams you traditionally hate as a matter of long-term team history, and rivalries born of an intense playoff series/elimination in any given year.