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Backes!!!! Great wrister on a nice pass by Rattie!!! Blues win 3-2!!!

Backes came up big in this game. He was sorely needed, too!
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That was the definition of an ugly win. Woohoo! anyway....
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Why was a penalty called on Bortuzzo? When did stopping in front of the net become unsportsmanlike? Who cares if dubnyk got snowed.. If the wild don't like it, play better D. Every player on that break should be stopping in front of the net for a rebound. I see so many skaters go past the net and miss scoring ops..
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Winning Unlimited wrote:Why was a penalty called on Bortuzzo? When did stopping in front of the net become unsportsmanlike? Who cares if dubnyk got snowed.. If the wild don't like it, play better D. Every player on that break should be stopping in front of the net for a rebound. I see so many skaters go past the net and miss scoring ops..
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It was a horrible call. He didn't "snow him", and only like 10% of the snow actually hit him. That was an awful call.

Starting with the bad call on Bortuzzo, the refs were awful. They missed a number of blatant penalties...most that should have been against the Wild.

You have the bad call on Bortuzzo, they missed Parayko being high sticked, then 3 seconds later they miss Gunnarson being tripped behind the net. They missed Steen getting high sticked, they missed a blatant interference along the near boards, and they missed a blatant interference in OT that led to a Wild 2 on 1 that Allen had to make a great save on, they looked the other way when Allen was run over, and then they blew the play dead when it should have kept going.

They also called a play offsides that wasn't close to being offside. The Blues kept the puck in the zone, but they blew it offside. And there was another one that they missed as well.

I thought they also made bad judgement calls on a few icings.

And did anyone else catch the play right after the Wild player ran over Allen and ended up in the net? The puck was shot on net, it got by Allen and hit the Wild player in the glove preventing a goal and then the puck went out the other side. Had that puck went in the net, the refs would have had a shit storm of fury to deal with if they had called that a good goal. The fans were already hella pissed at the refs...they would have burned the building down.

This game was a trainwreck for the officials. They were awful.

The Blues played a sloppy game, they were badly shorthanded, and they had to endure a lot of horrible calls and non-calls..and yet they still won the game.

I'm getting tired of Steen holding on to the puck too long and coughing it up. It's happening a couple times every period it seems.

Petro is pissing me off. He's not playing at the level he needs to. Too many stupid mistakes. And on the play where he and Parayko "miscommunicated", I thought Petro made a bee line for the puck carrier, which caused Parayko to back off and cover the pass. If Petro would have let Parayko have him, I doubt he scores. Parayko has a longer reach and is a faster skater and was likely to break that shot up. The TV crew kind of blamed Parayko for backing off and forcing Petro to take that guy, but I didn't see it that way. Petro was on his way there while Parayko was still on his horse and had just about reached him.

It was good to get these two points. I don't think the Blues played that well. They were all over the place and were very sloppy...but they got two big division points while missing many of their top guns...so we'll take it.
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I brought a girl to her first hockey game ever tonight. Even she was asking me why Bortuzzo was going to the box.

We sat next to Rams cheerleaders. We had a memorable PP dance.

I agree with everything you said, Curt, on the reffing. I just couldn't remember all of the shitty calls tonight. The Bortuzzo one just really stood out. I have never seen an unsportsmanlike for snowing after 25+ years of watching hockey.

Petro really isn't at his best right now. There were games last season where he was skating hard just to give his D partner an option for a pass to the right side. His offense isn't kicking in. His fanned shot in OT, for example.

One thing Parayko does to bother me is if there is a 2 on 1 break, Parayko will cover the other defenseman, and leave the other guy on a 1v1 with our goalie. Keenan would've loved this kid.
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FYI: the two cheerleaders..

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I may seem silly by saying this, but I feel like the team's turned the corner in the sense that even with substantial parts of the team missing, they're finding ways to win and not giving up which I attribute a great deal to Hitch's adjustment in philosophy. I think that's going to make a big difference come playoff time and is making a big difference now.
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The lack of offensive creativity on this team when Tarasenko and Schwartz aren't in there is troubling. How can so many NHL players be so utterly clueless and just insist on skating in straight lines with the puck, making the pass everyone knows they are going to make every single freakin' time? That was painful to watch. Just brutal.

How they won this game, I'll never know.
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Oaklandblue wrote:I may seem silly by saying this, but I feel like the team's turned the corner in the sense that even with substantial parts of the team missing, they're finding ways to win and not giving up which I attribute a great deal to Hitch's adjustment in philosophy. I think that's going to make a big difference come playoff time and is making a big difference now.
What's funny about this... with all of the injuries Hitchcock has the team playing the 2011-12 system, with the exception of Tarasenko's line, which won him a Jack Adams award. He stated this on NHL Network Friday afternoon.

As to the penalties - we should've known when Brouwer was blatantly high-sticked in the face by Scandella after Brouwer gave him a hard clean hit and the back ref watched the high stick and ignored it. Immediately after that is when Reaves went off hitting everything in sight hard and clean. The refs missed at least 4 clear high sticks all of which hit Blues players in the face.

Panger kept saying how the Wild are the least penalized team in the NHL. Well... NO SHIT when the refs don't call blatant penalties against them. Interestingly, I watched the Chi-Min game and the officiating wasn't like this at all. This Blues game was by far the worst officiated Blues game I've seen this season having seen all of them. First time all year I was actually pissed at officiating.

Parayko switching on the two-on-one. It seemed clear to me he knew he couldn't catch his man once he started skating. I bet a 100% Parayko doesn't switch and does catch him. Whatever the issue (read probably an ankle), he couldn't power skate off both feet.
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Winning Unlimited wrote:One thing Parayko does to bother me is if there is a 2 on 1 break, Parayko will cover the other defenseman, and leave the other guy on a 1v1 with our goalie. Keenan would've loved this kid.
Most times, from what I've seen, Parayko takes the puck carrier if he can catch him, which he usually can - last night was an excpetion. As a former high school goalie, I'd rather have a lone defenseman commit to taking away 1 player for sure, like Parayko does consistently, forcing the team to rely on the other guy to shoot. It makes the goaltending decisions easier.
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I just can't take away one player if I'm the D on a 2 on 1. It would be like giving up a breakaway. I want to force them to make the play, not our goalie.
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You can judge how the team is playing based on the frequency of posts by Nyghtwynd. Haven't seen him once so far this season, so all must be going well.
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glen a richter wrote:You can judge how the team is playing based on the frequency of posts by Nyghtwynd. Haven't seen him once so far this season, so all must be going well.

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theohall wrote:
Winning Unlimited wrote:One thing Parayko does to bother me is if there is a 2 on 1 break, Parayko will cover the other defenseman, and leave the other guy on a 1v1 with our goalie. Keenan would've loved this kid.
Most times, from what I've seen, Parayko takes the puck carrier if he can catch him, which he usually can - last night was an excpetion. As a former high school goalie, I'd rather have a lone defenseman commit to taking away 1 player for sure, like Parayko does consistently, forcing the team to rely on the other guy to shoot. It makes the goaltending decisions easier.
Agreed. Specifically, I'd rather deal with a shooter who only has half the ice to work with than worry about pass across me to a wide open opponent who will be shooting from whatever spot he chooses. It's not the same as a breakaway when the puck carrier can't cut across in front of you. It makes it much easier to cover the angles and force an early shot or to be aggressive with a poke.
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ecbm wrote:
theohall wrote:
Winning Unlimited wrote:One thing Parayko does to bother me is if there is a 2 on 1 break, Parayko will cover the other defenseman, and leave the other guy on a 1v1 with our goalie. Keenan would've loved this kid.
Most times, from what I've seen, Parayko takes the puck carrier if he can catch him, which he usually can - last night was an excpetion. As a former high school goalie, I'd rather have a lone defenseman commit to taking away 1 player for sure, like Parayko does consistently, forcing the team to rely on the other guy to shoot. It makes the goaltending decisions easier.
Agreed. Specifically, I'd rather deal with a shooter who only has half the ice to work with than worry about pass across me to a wide open opponent who will be shooting from whatever spot he chooses. It's not the same as a breakaway when the puck carrier can't cut across in front of you. It makes it much easier to cover the angles and force an early shot or to be aggressive with a poke.
Robb_K wrote:5 on 3 against The Blues for 1 minute, because Ott made a great steal and tried to bounce it off the high glass. But it was so close the refs couldn't tell if it hit.
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I like the rule.
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cprice12 wrote:
Robb_K wrote:5 on 3 against The Blues for 1 minute, because Ott made a great steal and tried to bounce it off the high glass. But it was so close the refs couldn't tell if it hit.
The dumbest rule in the NHL, ever, strikes again. :?
I like the rule.
I used to hate it when players purposed cleared the puck over the glass to get out of a tough situation.
Chelios did that A LOT...the rule could really be named after him.

If they ever took away the penalty on that rule, they need to make it so the offending team can't change players, so a tired team still has to clear the zone and not just flip it out of play.[/quote]

I've heard the HNIC guys call it the Chelios rule many times since it's been implemented.
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