Blues absence from playoffs 'unexcused'

[kodos]

This team needs to stop winning. If they fall out of the bottom 10 this year I'm going to be annoyed.

[DaDitka]

This team needs to stop winning. If they fall out of the bottom 10 this year I'm going to be annoyed.

Why? From what I read the 20th best prospect in next years draft is expected to be better then the 5th in this years.

[theohall]

This team needs to stop winning. If they fall out of the bottom 10 this year I'm going to be annoyed.

Why? From what I read the 20th best prospect in next years draft is expected to be better then the 5th in this years.

++ And the Blues can give up that crappy pick this season while using the good one next season.

[cprice12]

This team needs to stop winning. If they fall out of the bottom 10 this year I'm going to be annoyed.

Why? From what I read the 20th best prospect in next years draft is expected to be better then the 5th in this years.

++ And the Blues can give up that crappy pick this season while using the good one next season.

Exactly.
The Blues need to finish ahead of Toronto and Minnesotta to finish out of the top 10 so they can keep their 1st round pick next year.
If we win our final three games, we'll probably finish out of the bottom 10 and give up our first round pick next year to Colorado...which is what we want.
We want the first round pick after the '11-'12 season.

[kodos]

Weak draft or not...

I say that a top 10 pick this year will be better then whatever pick we end up with next year, which will probably (hopefully) be in the 14-20 range.

You can't plan on being worse. You have to plan on everything progressing as it should. Which means our 2012 pick will be worse than our 2011 pick.

Plus someone we draft now can play in 2-3 years. Whoever we draft next year will be playing in 3-4 years.

Might as well worry about now now and the future in the future.

[WaukeeBlues]

Weak draft or not...

I say that a top 10 pick this year will be better then whatever pick we end up with next year, which will probably (hopefully) be in the 14-20 range.

this. I would be stunned, shocked and appalled if this team was anywhere near as low next season as it ended this season. We may stay firmly in eigth. I say take the pick this year and forfeit next seasons'

Also jump start's the kid's development that we select by a full year. Top ten pick 2011 + 1 year of development > Top 20 pick 2012 or so close that it's a crapshoot anyway

[KPFBlue]

This team needs to stop winning. If they fall out of the bottom 10 this year I'm going to be annoyed.

Why? From what I read the 20th best prospect in next years draft is expected to be better then the 5th in this years.

++ And the Blues can give up that crappy pick this season while using the good one next season.

Exactly.
The Blues need to finish ahead of Toronto and Minnesotta to finish out of the top 10 so they can keep their 1st round pick next year.
If we win our final three games, we'll probably finish out of the bottom 10 and give up our first round pick next year to Colorado...which is what we want.
We want the first round pick after the '11-'12 season.

Suddenly tomorrow's game against COL has some significance

[DaDitka]

Weak draft or not...

I say that a top 10 pick this year will be better then whatever pick we end up with next year, which will probably (hopefully) be in the 14-20 range.

You can't plan on being worse. You have to plan on everything progressing as it should. Which means our 2012 pick will be worse than our 2011 pick.

Plus someone we draft now can play in 2-3 years. Whoever we draft next year will be playing in 3-4 years.

Might as well worry about now now and the future in the future.

If we draft 20th next year or 7th this year, we'll get a better player next year is the point (according to draft/scouting pundits).

And either way, it's going to be about 3 years. Some are faster like DP (maybe Tarensako) some take much longer like Petro and Schwartz.

The point is the player we would get in the 2012 draft will be a greater 'asset'.

[fargoblues]

Weak draft or not...

I say that a top 10 pick this year will be better then whatever pick we end up with next year, which will probably (hopefully) be in the 14-20 range.

You can't plan on being worse. You have to plan on everything progressing as it should. Which means our 2012 pick will be worse than our 2011 pick.

Plus someone we draft now can play in 2-3 years. Whoever we draft next year will be playing in 3-4 years.

Might as well worry about now now and the future in the future.

If we draft 20th next year or 7th this year, we'll get a better player next year is the point (according to draft/scouting pundits).

And either way, it's going to be about 3 years. Some are faster like DP (maybe Tarensako) some take much longer like Petro and Schwartz.

The point is the player we would get in the 2012 draft will be a greater 'asset'.

DAT ASS-et

[cprice12]

In the draft, it's all about getting the best player possible, right?
If you believe what the experts are saying, we have a much better chance of getting a better player later in the '12 draft than we will get earlier in the '11 draft.

I'm not saying we'll be worse next year...that's not what I am saying at all. I think we'll be better. I'm saying the draft will be much deeper in 2012 and I'd rather have a first round pick in that draft than in this one coming up.

Either way, a player could be 2, 3, or 4 years away anyway. It varies on the player. And what good will it do to want this year's 1st round pick so you can draft a guy who will be ready to play sooner, if he ends up not being good enough to play in the NHL anyway?

[kodos]

I have a hard time believing that the draft is that weak.

How do they know anyway? You never really do.

[cprice12]

I have a hard time believing that the draft is that weak.

How do they know anyway? You never really do.

I look at it like this...
They know better than I do...so I defer to them on how deep the draft is this year and next. (the experts)

[thedoc]

I look at it like this...
They know better than I do...so I defer to them on how deep the draft is this year and next. (the experts)

Then why do you listen to Kerber?

[DaDitka]

Another reason I'd like to make the trade this year is then the pain is over....imagine this.....


Next year we are at the trade deadline and we're ahead of the 8th spot by 4 points, and only 6 out of third. There is a difference making veteran scorer available. They are willing to deal him to you for Ostrick and your first....oh wait.....you don't have a first.

I would agree with getting the 'high' (lower) pick if we were talking to 4, but we're not. It's not a good draft class, so get it out of the way.

Besides that will give us three second rounders this year and if we see someone in the first that we have to have, we can probably get there anyways by packaging all three of our second rounders.

[cprice12]

I look at it like this...
They know better than I do...so I defer to them on how deep the draft is this year and next. (the experts)

Then why do you listen to Kerber?

Eh?

[cardsfan04]

I never really have understood the rooting against your team thing. I mean, a higher draft pick is a nice silver lining, but it is still just a silver lining. The draft is full of variance anyway. I'd rather see the team I support win now and then worry about where we draft later. If any member of the Blues organization is fine "throwing games," I don't want them as a part of the Blues anyway. I'd much rather have somebody who wants/needs to win regardless of the situation.

[theohall]

The Blues need to 1) Beat Erik Johnson's new team to show him what he is missing. 2) Beat the Blackhawks and hopefully knock them out of the playoffs with a little help from Calgary.

So, yes, I want the Blues winning now. My only hope in the sports world right now is to hear about the Blackhawks not making the playoffs.

[KC Express]

I look at it like this...
They know better than I do...so I defer to them on how deep the draft is this year and next. (the experts)

Then why do you listen to Kerber?

I think you're giving them too much credit. There are far too many variables to make good predictions outside of a few seemingly sure things. The same thing happens in every sport. Hockey has to be particularly tough because of the numerous avenues through which you can come to the pros.