Blues Not Convinced They Need To Make Trades

[goon attack]

NO trades. Sign a free agent in the offseason. (Frank) making a trade right now.

[cprice12]

NO trades. Sign a free agent in the offseason. (Frank) making a trade right now.

Well, we have to make some kind of a trade or Bishop will become a free agent after the season.
I doubt he would resign here with little to no chance of actually playing with Elliott and Halak playing well.
Whether he gets moved by himself or in a package for something, we'll see.

[glen a richter]

with regards to Bishop, would a sign and trade be an option and package him at the draft?

[AlsWoodenStick]

Besides bashing players, any idea on how you would improve the PP instead of just saying that it's not working right now?

That is not bashing players what so ever, and even JD said himself yesterday that Oshie is trying to do too much.

And excuse me if I think maintaining possession would help our powerplay. How many times this year have you seen our powerplay keep the puck in the offensive end for 40 seconds or more? Very - Very little. That is my point. Even when we manage to register three or four shots on a PP they are often each on individual trips into the zone.

I was not looking to bash any player...the fact of the matter is those three have surrendered the puck to the other team on the powerplay the most of late...that's all I'm saying.

When a goalie is having a hard time, what do you do? You yank him. He'll get another shot, he just doesn't have it at this point. That's what I'm suggesting with the other three.

I understand, I didn't mean it personally, it drives me nuts when we keep it in the O zone and we don't do crap. I was just wondering who do you think, on this team as of now, could do a better job? Because I'm not sure. I'm frustrated. I want to pull those guys out too, I just don't know who to put in, and I'm searching for suggestions.

[dmiles2186]

with regards to Bishop, would a sign and trade be an option and package him at the draft?

This. If someone offers only a 3rd round pick for Bishop, do you take it? I'm not sure I would, no need to trade him just to do so. Peoria needs him too. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that since Elliott was signed that Bishop is gone at the deadline. Army has said as such.

[cardsfan04]

with regards to Bishop, would a sign and trade be an option and package him at the draft?

This. If someone offers only a 3rd round pick for Bishop, do you take it? I'm not sure I would, no need to trade him just to do so. Peoria needs him too. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that since Elliott was signed that Bishop is gone at the deadline. Army has said as such.

I'm going to ask a kind of stupid question related to this. I've heard that we would turn down a 3rd round pick because we "need" him in Peoria. Why do we "need" him there? If we win the AHL title is that something people really care about? I only care about Peoria insofar as they develop legit NHL talent for the Blues. I mean, if I was omnipotent and could choose either they lose or they win, I'd choose win. But, I don't really care about their record other than how it reflects the talent we have that will eventually play on the Blues.

[dmiles2186]

with regards to Bishop, would a sign and trade be an option and package him at the draft?

This. If someone offers only a 3rd round pick for Bishop, do you take it? I'm not sure I would, no need to trade him just to do so. Peoria needs him too. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that since Elliott was signed that Bishop is gone at the deadline. Army has said as such.

I'm going to ask a kind of stupid question related to this. I've heard that we would turn down a 3rd round pick because we "need" him in Peoria. Why do we "need" him there? If we win the AHL title is that something people really care about? I only care about Peoria insofar as they develop legit NHL talent for the Blues. I mean, if I was omnipotent and could choose either they lose or they win, I'd choose win. But, I don't really care about their record other than how it reflects the talent we have that will eventually play on the Blues.

I think it was Army that said Peoria needs him originally. We might not care about the Calder Cup, but people in Peoria do. And if I'm not mistaken, don't the Blues own the Peoria franchise? They're running a business themselves. I agree with Army in that there's no need to trade Bishop just to trade him. But my guess is that if the right deal comes along and Bishop's name comes up, it might be a go. And besides, what happens if Elliott or Halak gets hurt?

[DaDitka]

Besides bashing players, any idea on how you would improve the PP instead of just saying that it's not working right now?

That is not bashing players what so ever, and even JD said himself yesterday that Oshie is trying to do too much.

And excuse me if I think maintaining possession would help our powerplay. How many times this year have you seen our powerplay keep the puck in the offensive end for 40 seconds or more? Very - Very little. That is my point. Even when we manage to register three or four shots on a PP they are often each on individual trips into the zone.

I was not looking to bash any player...the fact of the matter is those three have surrendered the puck to the other team on the powerplay the most of late...that's all I'm saying.

When a goalie is having a hard time, what do you do? You yank him. He'll get another shot, he just doesn't have it at this point. That's what I'm suggesting with the other three.

I understand, I didn't mean it personally, it drives me nuts when we keep it in the O zone and we don't do crap. I was just wondering who do you think, on this team as of now, could do a better job? Because I'm not sure. I'm frustrated. I want to pull those guys out too, I just don't know who to put in, and I'm searching for suggestions.

Obvioulsy heath is an issue here and Arrnott could replace Russel on the point and Steen and McD could replace DP and Oshie if everyone were healthy.

More specifically I meant to sit them to get your point across to them. Hopefully it's not a long term situation.

Two games ago DP netted two but was still pretty sloppy, Thursday his all around game looked better, so he's appears to be coming around (hopefully)

My biggest point is this same talent base was #10 in scoring last year ....without Stewie for a full season and without Arrnot. So it's obviously not a talent issue, it's what these guys are doing or not doing. I'm not looking around the league for the fix, I'm looking in my locker room and at my coaching staff for the answers.

At this point the PP struggles have to fall at the feet of the coaches as well.

[theohall]

On the Bishop front, Army has mentioned the issue with finances thing due to the Ownership issue not being settled. He did not say that last season. The Blues probably won't move him and will try to re-sign him once the Ownership deal goes through. The issue - there is the big risk of getting absolutely nothing for having taken the time to develop him if he gets a better deal elsewhere.

[thedoc]

1)I'm going to ask a kind of stupid question related to this.


2) But, I don't really care about their record

In response to number 1. Do you ever ask smart one's?

In response to number 2. Owning a hockey team is not a license to print money like it is in the NFL. A winning team puts butts in the seat. If we want to have a healthy farm system delivering NHL ready talent they have to win to be a viable investment. People don't show up to watch a losing team.

[cardsfan04]

1)I'm going to ask a kind of stupid question related to this.


2) But, I don't really care about their record

In response to number 1. Do you ever ask smart one's?

In response to number 2. Owning a hockey team is not a license to print money like it is in the NFL. A winning team puts butts in the seat. If we want to have a healthy farm system delivering NHL ready talent they have to win to be a viable investment. People don't show up to watch a losing team.

1)I got lucky once.

2)Makes sense I guess. I mean, it would surprise me if selling seats in Peoria affects the Blues' bottom line much at all. But, I hadn't considered that angle.

[thedoc]

I mean, it would surprise me if selling seats in Peoria affects the Blues' bottom line much at all. But, I hadn't considered that angle.

It affects the Blues bottom line so far as if Peoria is self-sustaining then money to run that operation doesn't come out of the big clubs budget. Up until Diamond Dave got here Peoria was a stand alone club only associated with us.

[cardsfan04]

I mean, it would surprise me if selling seats in Peoria affects the Blues' bottom line much at all. But, I hadn't considered that angle.

It affects the Blues bottom line so far as if Peoria is self-sustaining then money to run that operation doesn't come out of the big clubs budget. Up until Diamond Dave got here Peoria was a stand alone club only associated with us.

Yeah, I get that. And, it would be terrible business if Peoria isn't self-sustaining. I just think any negative financial impact they would suffer from a drop in ticket prices would be very minimal.

I did a very very rough estimate at how much it would cost. Peoria has 15 home games remaining (only 10 after the trade deadline). Their arena holds a little over 10,000 people. There are 6 ticket prices that range from $12.50 to $27.50. I don't know the proportion for each price level, but call it $20/ticket. So, $200K in ticket sales per game. So, if he's traded before their game tonight and they don't sell another ticket to any of their remaining games, it's a $3 mil loss in revenue. And that assumes the starting point is from selling out every game. It's also worst case scenario. Realistically, it would be well under a million in revenue that they would lose.

I'm not saying it's not at all a consideration. I just don't think it's that big of one.

[glen a richter]

ok call me crazy but bear with me here....

Blues need a scorer to make a decent run in the playoffs, there's plenty of youth on the horizon (Tarasenko, namely) and don't want to unload way the hell too much.

Anaheim is pretty much out of the playoff picture, Teemu Selanne is 41 and won't be playing forever. How much could it possibly cost to get someone who will probably retire at the end of this season or next from a team with such bleak playoff hopes? Selanne may be the cheapest option for a temporary fix.

[thedoc]

I did a very very rough estimate at how much it would cost. Peoria has 15 home games remaining (only 10 after the trade deadline). Their arena holds a little over 10,000 people. There are 6 ticket prices that range from $12.50 to $27.50. I don't know the proportion for each price level, but call it $20/ticket. So, $200K in ticket sales per game. So, if he's traded before their game tonight and they don't sell another ticket to any of their remaining games, it's a $3 mil loss in revenue.
I'm not saying it's not at all a consideration.

If you have this much time on your hands...man we have got to get you laid

[cardsfan04]

I did a very very rough estimate at how much it would cost. Peoria has 15 home games remaining (only 10 after the trade deadline). Their arena holds a little over 10,000 people. There are 6 ticket prices that range from $12.50 to $27.50. I don't know the proportion for each price level, but call it $20/ticket. So, $200K in ticket sales per game. So, if he's traded before their game tonight and they don't sell another ticket to any of their remaining games, it's a $3 mil loss in revenue.
I'm not saying it's not at all a consideration.

If you have this much time on your hands...man we have got to get you laid

lol, I'm at work and bored as hell, but I'm all for getting laid.

[glen a richter]

I did a very very rough estimate at how much it would cost. Peoria has 15 home games remaining (only 10 after the trade deadline). Their arena holds a little over 10,000 people. There are 6 ticket prices that range from $12.50 to $27.50. I don't know the proportion for each price level, but call it $20/ticket. So, $200K in ticket sales per game. So, if he's traded before their game tonight and they don't sell another ticket to any of their remaining games, it's a $3 mil loss in revenue.
I'm not saying it's not at all a consideration.

If you have this much time on your hands...man we have got to get you laid

lol, I'm at work and bored as hell, but I'm all for getting laid.

That's good because I think thedoc was offering.

[thedoc]

I did a very very rough estimate at how much it would cost. Peoria has 15 home games remaining (only 10 after the trade deadline). Their arena holds a little over 10,000 people. There are 6 ticket prices that range from $12.50 to $27.50. I don't know the proportion for each price level, but call it $20/ticket. So, $200K in ticket sales per game. So, if he's traded before their game tonight and they don't sell another ticket to any of their remaining games, it's a $3 mil loss in revenue.
I'm not saying it's not at all a consideration.

If you have this much time on your hands...man we have got to get you laid

lol, I'm at work and bored as hell, but I'm all for getting laid.

That's good because I think thedoc was offering.

Jealous Keith?

[goon attack]

Sign everyone then deal from a position of strength when the time comes. This team has the second fewest losses IN THE LEAGUE.

It's unnecessary tinkering like what you pansies are promoting that ruined the 91 team.

DO NOTHING for now. Bishop doesn't count here since he's not in the NHL. If you want to jettison that overhyped pile of shit, do it.

We DON'T need a scorer unless you think 5-1 wins are better than 2-1 wins. Memo: they both go in the win column.

[DaDitka]

Hell, look at that......sustained pressure......guys going in front of the net....goals, points, WINS.

DP is felling it, Bergie is a factor, Stewie is showing a pulse......now if TJ can just get over his ice-capades BS, and we get Andy Mc back and we're cooking with gas!!!