Duncan Keith is a goon *Official Thread*

[cardsfan04]

12 games is what I want to see. 5 games for rest of regular season + 7 games ensures entire first round of playoffs. Not really expecting that, but I think that's the appropriate length here. If they lose in less than 7 and it gets reduced on appeal so that it doesn't carry over to next season, I'm ok with that. But, I think he needs to miss the entire first round.

Keep in mind it's a first time offense in terms of the CBA so 12 games seems excessive for a first time offender. But if there's anything clear in the NHL discipline department it's that inconsistency rules the day. So it could be 7 or 30 depending on what side of the bed the shanahan (or whoever decides now) wakes up on

I know they count offenses differently than just things that have happened in the past. That's all fine and good. For sake of conversation though, he has a history of goonish behavior. This was not an out of character incident.

[cardsfan04]

12 games is what I want to see. 5 games for rest of regular season + 7 games ensures entire first round of playoffs. Not really expecting that, but I think that's the appropriate length here. If they lose in less than 7 and it gets reduced on appeal so that it doesn't carry over to next season, I'm ok with that. But, I think he needs to miss the entire first round.

This is totally different (in a really bad way) than somebody that didn't line a hit up properly or was a little late or missed high. This wasn't dangerously negligent. This was malicious which is significantly worse. I think I'm setting myself up to be really disappointed when he gets 6-7 games.

I'll be shocked if he gets 7+ playoff games missed.
Don't get me wrong, I think it is deserved...but I can't see the NHL doing that to a star player. That's the way they operate.
I do think he will miss 2-3 playoff games...if he doesn't, it's a crime and the system is corrupt.

I agree with that. I'll be shocked if he misses the entire round unless they somehow give him 9 games and the series is swept. 6-8 is my estimate. Anything less, I'll be outraged. Within that range I'll just live with it. Anything more and I'll be impressed that the NHL grew a backbone.

[gaijin]

12 games is what I want to see. 5 games for rest of regular season + 7 games ensures entire first round of playoffs. Not really expecting that, but I think that's the appropriate length here. If they lose in less than 7 and it gets reduced on appeal so that it doesn't carry over to next season, I'm ok with that. But, I think he needs to miss the entire first round.

Keep in mind it's a first time offense in terms of the CBA so 12 games seems excessive for a first time offender. But if there's anything clear in the NHL discipline department it's that inconsistency rules the day. So it could be 7 or 30 depending on what side of the bed the shanahan (or whoever decides now) wakes up on

I know they count offenses differently than just things that have happened in the past. That's all fine and good. For sake of conversation though, he has a history of goonish behavior. This was not an out of character incident.

Not out of character, sure, but I read something that stated players are only considered repeat offenders if their last offense/suspension occurred in the last 18 months. Keith's last suspension was outside of that 18 month timeframe.

[Kerfuffle]

Not out of character, sure, but I read something that stated players are only considered repeat offenders if their last offense/suspension occurred in the last 18 months. Keith's last suspension was outside of that 18 month timeframe.

That's correct - this will be treated as a first time offense.

[cprice12]

Not out of character, sure, but I read something that stated players are only considered repeat offenders if their last offense/suspension occurred in the last 18 months. Keith's last suspension was outside of that 18 month timeframe.

That's correct - this will be treated as a first time offense.

Actually, no. That is likely incorrect.
https://www.nhl.com/news/department-of- ... -738846#q8

A Player is considered a repeat offender for 18 months following his most recent incident that resulted in a suspension. His status as a repeat offender in this category is used to determine the amount of salary forfeited should he receive another suspension.

It is important to note that even if a Player is not defined as a repeat offender, his past history may come into consideration when determining future Supplemental Discipline.

[cprice12]

Not out of character, sure, but I read something that stated players are only considered repeat offenders if their last offense/suspension occurred in the last 18 months. Keith's last suspension was outside of that 18 month timeframe.

That's correct - this will be treated as a first time offense.

Mr. Kerfuffle... How many games to you think Keith should get?

[cardsfan04]

Chicago Tribune has a not-so-good outlook for Keith. Hadn't considered this, but recent emails leaking about NHL seeming to be dismissive of head safety could impact this to some extent.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ro ... olumn.html

[cprice12]

Chicago Tribune has a not-so-good outlook for Keith. Hadn't considered this, but recent emails leaking about NHL seeming to be dismissive of head safety could impact this to some extent.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ro ... olumn.html

The author and I are on the same page here...well, at least in terms of what we think Keith will get.

Funny how a couple Hawk fans in the comments after that article want Coyle's "slew foot" to be reviewed by the league.

First off, it wasn't a slew foot. That never even happened.

Coyle's stick was behind both of Keith's legs (not inbetween his legs) and wedged up against the boards and the puck goes the other way and Coyle gives Keith a shove and Keith goes down over the stick.

The fact that anyone would say, "Well, Coyle's actions need to be reviewed as well", is asinine and deflecting the blame, almost trying to excuse what Keith did as it was justified based on what Coyle did first. Coyle would have maybe received a 2 minute minor for a trip if the ref saw it...that's it. The league doesn't review minor penalties, nor should they. And a tripping penalty in no way, shape, or form, even party justifies what Keith did to Coyle. Dumb.

[ibldbl]

Anyone hear when this decision is supposed to be made public?

[gaijin]

Not out of character, sure, but I read something that stated players are only considered repeat offenders if their last offense/suspension occurred in the last 18 months. Keith's last suspension was outside of that 18 month timeframe.

That's correct - this will be treated as a first time offense.

Actually, no. That is likely incorrect.
https://www.nhl.com/news/department-of- ... -738846#q8

A Player is considered a repeat offender for 18 months following his most recent incident that resulted in a suspension. His status as a repeat offender in this category is used to determine the amount of salary forfeited should he receive another suspension.

It is important to note that even if a Player is not defined as a repeat offender, his past history may come into consideration when determining future Supplemental Discipline.

So the 18 month rule is used to determine how much salary they forfeit, not what other discipline they may receive? That's... weird.

[ecbm]

Not out of character, sure, but I read something that stated players are only considered repeat offenders if their last offense/suspension occurred in the last 18 months. Keith's last suspension was outside of that 18 month timeframe.

That's correct - this will be treated as a first time offense.

Actually, no. That is likely incorrect.
https://www.nhl.com/news/department-of- ... -738846#q8

A Player is considered a repeat offender for 18 months following his most recent incident that resulted in a suspension. His status as a repeat offender in this category is used to determine the amount of salary forfeited should he receive another suspension.

It is important to note that even if a Player is not defined as a repeat offender, his past history may come into consideration when determining future Supplemental Discipline.

Good. That makes a lot more goddamn sense than the bullshit technicality cited above. He's a goon and a repeat offender-you know, as defined by a dictionary.

Mr. Kerfuffle... How many games to you think Keith should get?

*...chirrup, chirrup, chirrup...*

[cprice12]

I have only read through the first page of the Hawks Official message board...and wow.

Really surprised at how they are wanting Coyle to be suspended or at least have the NHL look at what he did.
And a couple guys think what Keith did was justified. WTF??

Here you go:
http://fans.blackhawks.nhl.com/communit ... uspension/

Blind and ignorant homerism at it's best...er...worst.

[goon attack]

This kind of thing needs to happen MUCH more often. We need more violence in this dumbass pansy league.

[Portland Blues]

This kind of thing needs to happen MUCH more often. We need more violence in this dumbass pansy league.

[gaijin]

Update: Keith waives right to in-person hearing

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/blackh ... --nhl.html

CHICAGO (AP) -- Blackhawks star defenseman Duncan Keith has waived his right to an in-person hearing for high-sticking Minnesota Wild forward Charlie Coyle.

The NHL's Department of Player Safety announced late Thursday night that Keith will have a phone hearing instead on Friday afternoon.

The offer for an in-person hearing meant the league can suspend Keith more than five games, but it doesn't have to. Chicago has five regular-season games remaining, starting with Friday's visit to Winnipeg.

After being knocked onto his back during the first period of Chicago's game Tuesday at Minnesota, Keith lifted his stick into Coyle's face. He was given a 5-minute major and a match penalty, an immediate ejection.

Coyle needed stitches to close a cut on his nose, which wasn't broken.

"Keith lifted his stick into Coyle's face." That's one way to put it, I suppose. Another might be that after being knocked onto his back, he swung his stick from the ice directly up into the face of Coyle, who was standing over him.

[cprice12]

Update: Keith waives right to in-person hearing

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/blackh ... --nhl.html

CHICAGO (AP) -- Blackhawks star defenseman Duncan Keith has waived his right to an in-person hearing for high-sticking Minnesota Wild forward Charlie Coyle.

The NHL's Department of Player Safety announced late Thursday night that Keith will have a phone hearing instead on Friday afternoon.

The offer for an in-person hearing meant the league can suspend Keith more than five games, but it doesn't have to. Chicago has five regular-season games remaining, starting with Friday's visit to Winnipeg.

After being knocked onto his back during the first period of Chicago's game Tuesday at Minnesota, Keith lifted his stick into Coyle's face. He was given a 5-minute major and a match penalty, an immediate ejection.

Coyle needed stitches to close a cut on his nose, which wasn't broken.

"Keith lifted his stick into Coyle's face." That's one way to put it, I suppose. Another might be that after being knocked onto his back, he swung his stick from the ice directly up into the face of Coyle, who was standing over him.

His nose wasn't broken?
My ass it wasn't.

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[cardsfan04]

His hearing is today at 3PM. I guess we'll know tonight/tomorrow what they give him.

[ecbm]

"Keith lifted his stick into Coyle's face."

But, but, but officer, all I did was lift that brick into the face of that guy on the ground over there. He pushed me first. Clearly, he's the one who needs to be punished.



Really sad what people will do to protect an ideology they subscribe to...even an ideology as stupid as: this is my favorite hockey team and anybody on it can do no wrong.

Blind and ignorant homerism at it's best...er...worst.

It's actually worse than that-it's a lack of understanding of responsibility that you'd expect from a 4-year-old. Unfortunately, it's all too common among adults these days. No wrong justifies another wrong, and nobody's responsible for Keith's actions but Keith. Obviously.

[ecbm]

His hearing is today at 3PM. I guess we'll know tonight/tomorrow what they give him.

Ah. So it will be the sports version of the Friday evening unpleasant news dump. That doesn't bode well.

[theohall]

I don't know what game it was but NBCSN Wednesday night during pregame showed an older video of Keith swinging his stick at a player's head from behind and connecting. Blatant stick to the head with the puck nowhere near either of them and the player being hit completely defenseless. During one of the NHL Radio shows a former ref commented that the NHL Officiating crew which does suspensions has more video than one would think for basically every questionable type hit be each player. That stick swinging thing from before will count in the review as much as Chicago fans might try to claim it won't.

So it is blatantly not a "first time offense" of this exact type.