Why is Shattenkirk being moved?

[theohall]

What kind of sucks is that mandatory break hits right before the March 1st trade deadline. If the Blues win the next two games, what happens? Buy or Sell? We know, given the inconsistencies this season, sell should be the answer. Yeo has had teams improve dramatically for stretches under his leadership only to regress shortly after the burst of success.

[glen a richter]

The twitterverse is suggesting Ottawa is interested in Berglund and Lehtera. I'd take a bag of pucks for Lehtera, anything to get his worthless ass off the roster. Tarasenko won't be crying for long over the trading of his buddy when his goal total skyrockets playing with a worthwhile center.

[Toasted Oates]

The twitterverse is suggesting Ottawa is interested in Berglund and Lehtera. I'd take a bag of pucks for Lehtera, anything to get his worthless ass off the roster. Tarasenko won't be crying for long over the trading of his buddy when his goal total skyrockets playing with a worthwhile center.

Yeah I saw the same thing from the infamous Scottrade General. Hope he's right for once.

If they had any deal on the table for Lehtera it should have been done yesterday. The trust in Doug is @ 0%, though.

[theohall]

The twitterverse is suggesting Ottawa is interested in Berglund and Lehtera. I'd take a bag of pucks for Lehtera, anything to get his worthless ass off the roster. Tarasenko won't be crying for long over the trading of his buddy when his goal total skyrockets playing with a worthwhile center.

Yeah I saw the same thing from the infamous Scottrade General. Hope he's right for once.

If they had any deal on the table for Lehtera it should have been done yesterday. The trust in Doug is @ 0%, though.

He is just re-posting speculation from Hockey's Future boards - which went down as I was reading it.... hmmm.... The rumor involves Logan Brown which the Blues should have done if it was ever on the table at all.

Looks like the hfboards can't keep up with all the posting.

[Toasted Oates]

At the bottom of the original post it says "per @The_STG" so they got it from him, not the other way around. Not that it matters; this would be a no brainer trade if true.

[gaijin]

Seeing some discussion of Shattenkirk to the Canadiens. Granted, it's the Canadiens who are talking about it, so that's a big grain of salt. No mention of who would be coming back this way, though.

Think one or more moves come during the bye week?

[glen a richter]

Heard from a lot of Rags fans Stepan or Zuccarello could be had, more likely Stepan. No secret Shatty would love to play at MSG.

[WaukeeBlues]

Heard from a lot of Rags fans Stepan or Zuccarello could be had, more likely Stepan. No secret Shatty would love to play at MSG.

I very seriously doubt the Rangers would even consider such a move unless they could talk with Shatty beforehand and have the more or less absolute assurance he would re-sign with the Rangers on a long term deal if such a trade was made. Even then, it's a lateral move at best. Rangers aren't massively deep on offense or anything, they've had some goal droughts this season. From their perspective I'd say hell no.

No way you part with that big of a current piece for a rental. No way.

[theohall]

Reading articles apparently Shattenkirk is willing to do a sign and trade as long as it's a long-term deal with annual salary near $7M per year. This would make a trade with the Rangers doable if they agreed to that deal. His whole deal is wanting to get paid what he would get paid in the open market and going somewhere he wants to play - which definitely includes the Rangers. This was seen on multiple sights with Pierre LeBrun and Elliott Friedman both bringing up different scenarios (Boston and Pittsburgh).

Zuccarello fits in the Blues cap. Stepan would require the Blues moving someone else to clear another 1.5M in cap space.

[WaukeeBlues]

Reading articles apparently Shattenkirk is willing to do a sign and trade as long as it's a long-term deal with annual salary near $7M per year. This would make a trade with the Rangers doable if they agreed to that deal. His whole deal is wanting to get paid what he would get paid in the open market and going somewhere he wants to play - which definitely includes the Rangers. This was seen on multiple sights with Pierre LeBrun and Elliott Friedman both bringing up different scenarios (Boston and Pittsburgh).

Zuccarello fits in the Blues cap. Stepan would require the Blues moving someone else to clear another 1.5M in cap space.

Another thing I think a TSN writer brought up is this: Why pay up at the deadline for Shattenkirk when you can get him for "free" on July 1?

If the Rangers are already pretty sure he wants to play in New York what's their incentive to meet the reportedly very high trade demand for him?

I can only think of 2: If the price wasn't SO high, they need him now for the "win now" mode the Rangers have been in for about 5-6 years now.

The second being the risk (probably small) that Shatty gets dealt to a different East Coast team on a trade n' sign and they miss their chance.

[cardsfan04]

Reading articles apparently Shattenkirk is willing to do a sign and trade as long as it's a long-term deal with annual salary near $7M per year. This would make a trade with the Rangers doable if they agreed to that deal. His whole deal is wanting to get paid what he would get paid in the open market and going somewhere he wants to play - which definitely includes the Rangers. This was seen on multiple sights with Pierre LeBrun and Elliott Friedman both bringing up different scenarios (Boston and Pittsburgh).

Zuccarello fits in the Blues cap. Stepan would require the Blues moving someone else to clear another 1.5M in cap space.

Another thing I think a TSN writer brought up is this: Why pay up at the deadline for Shattenkirk when you can get him for "free" on July 1?

If the Rangers are already pretty sure he wants to play in New York what's their incentive to meet the reportedly very high trade demand for him?

I can only think of 2: If the price wasn't SO high, they need him now for the "win now" mode the Rangers have been in for about 5-6 years now.

The second being the risk (probably small) that Shatty gets dealt to a different East Coast team on a trade n' sign and they miss their chance.

I think the other aspect of this is that Shatty has been linked to the Rangers because that's where he grew up, not because the Rangers have been vocal about wanting to "bring him home." I'm not saying they wouldn't have interest, but the Shatty to the Rangers stuff seems to fit the "Oh that would make sense" mold more than the "Rangers seem to be going after him" mold.

Again, not saying it can't or won't happen. But, I think they are one of a list of possible suitors. That he's from NY doesn't make the Rangers more interested than say the Bruins. It just makes a good storyline when discussing trade deadline stuff.

[glen a richter]

The Rangers also need a right handed dman so there is that.

[Toasted Oates]

Just trade him to Toronto for Nylander and call it a day.

[theohall]

Just trade him to Toronto for Nylander and call it a day.

We wish. The only players Toronto will part with will be the veterans nobody wants.

[gaijin]

Another thing I think a TSN writer brought up is this: Why pay up at the deadline for Shattenkirk when you can get him for "free" on July 1?

It all depends on whether the Rangers (or any interested team) feel Shattenkirk puts them over the top right now. If not, then like it was said, that lowers his trade value because interested parties won't be as keen to sell the farm to acquire him for a couple months when he will be a UFA this summer.

Speaking of which, I know it's been discussed that he wants a trade-and-sign deal, and that was completely understandable last year when a trade would have meant an entire year with a team he might not want to be with. But now he's a pending UFA and we're quickly approaching the trade deadline. A trade now would be for a couple months maximum. Then he would be free to sign with whomever tickles his fancy (say, New York) in the offseason. I think that scenario is more feasible now than it was this time last season (when a trade would have been for a whole year). And no skin off Shattenkirk's nose- he can go to a contender (because Lord knows it's not us), play for and perhaps win a Cup, then sign a new long-term deal with the team of his choice. Win-win for him.

Thoughts?

[theohall]

Speaking of which, I know it's been discussed that he wants a trade-and-sign deal, and that was completely understandable last year when a trade would have meant an entire year with a team he might not want to be with. But now he's a pending UFA and we're quickly approaching the trade deadline. A trade now would be for a couple months maximum. Then he would be free to sign with whomever tickles his fancy (say, New York) in the offseason. I think that scenario is more feasible now than it was this time last season (when a trade would have been for a whole year). And no skin off Shattenkirk's nose- he can go to a contender (because Lord knows it's not us), play for and perhaps win a Cup, then sign a new long-term deal with the team of his choice. Win-win for him.

Thoughts?

While that is 100% true, the sign-and-trade comments are coming from articles written over the past two months. So apparently he's still open to it as long as he gets paid what he expects to get on the open market. This helps the Blues by not limiting them to dealing with the teams Shattenkirk wants to play for.

[WaukeeBlues]

Speaking of which, I know it's been discussed that he wants a trade-and-sign deal, and that was completely understandable last year when a trade would have meant an entire year with a team he might not want to be with. But now he's a pending UFA and we're quickly approaching the trade deadline. A trade now would be for a couple months maximum. Then he would be free to sign with whomever tickles his fancy (say, New York) in the offseason. I think that scenario is more feasible now than it was this time last season (when a trade would have been for a whole year). And no skin off Shattenkirk's nose- he can go to a contender (because Lord knows it's not us), play for and perhaps win a Cup, then sign a new long-term deal with the team of his choice. Win-win for him.

Thoughts?

While that is 100% true, the sign-and-trade comments are coming from articles written over the past two months. So apparently he's still open to it as long as he gets paid what he expects to get on the open market. This helps the Blues by not limiting them to dealing with the teams Shattenkirk wants to play for.

IIRC if he elected to go to free agency July 1 there's no other d-man even close to him in terms of talent and he will be THE defenseman that teams will jockey over. Dude about to get PAID.

So yea, anything short of a hefty contract offer or him REALLY liking where he got traded to isn't going to get it done. But its the same thing, okay, he really likes where he gets traded to, why commit yourself to that team when you can just sign with them on July 1?

Stamkos anyone?

[Toasted Oates]

http://www.fanragsports.com/news/mckenz ... es-failed/

“Now, what we also know is this: On three occasions – dating back to the Edmonton Oilers last summer, another team in November, and most recently another team in the last month – there have been deals consummated or conditionally consummated with the St. Louis Blues for Kevin Shattenkirk if he signed a long-term extension. But in each of those three instances, Shattenkirk was not able to come to an agreement. And the one most recently, in the last month or so, we believe was a seven-year offer, $42 million total, worth $6 million a year.

“So we’ll see what happens between now and Wednesday.”

That's quite a nut to turn down....

[cardsfan04]

http://www.fanragsports.com/news/mckenz ... es-failed/

“Now, what we also know is this: On three occasions – dating back to the Edmonton Oilers last summer, another team in November, and most recently another team in the last month – there have been deals consummated or conditionally consummated with the St. Louis Blues for Kevin Shattenkirk if he signed a long-term extension. But in each of those three instances, Shattenkirk was not able to come to an agreement. And the one most recently, in the last month or so, we believe was a seven-year offer, $42 million total, worth $6 million a year.

“So we’ll see what happens between now and Wednesday.”

That's quite a nut to turn down....

That's a big contract for sure. I bet he'll get more on the market though. $7 mil AAV is about what I'm expecting. I don't think he's worth that until he plays defense like a top pairing dman, but I bet that's what he will get.

[Toasted Oates]

That's a big contract for sure. I bet he'll get more on the market though. $7 mil AAV is about what I'm expecting. I don't think he's worth that until he plays defense like a top pairing dman, but I bet that's what he will get.

He very well may and that's fine. This whole thing is twisting my stomach in knots, though. The local media has grabbed ahold of this story and Rutherford reported that it's believed Tampa was one of the 3 teams he didn't want to extend with. I don't even want to know what Tampa offered; missing out on Taylor Hall was bad enough.

I get the feeling he's holding out for the Rangers and I hope to hell he gets that $7 mil AAV from them. If he takes a discount to go there....that'd be rough.

It would be surprising to me if he played another game in a Blues uniform.