GDT Game 4: 4/19/16 | 8:30PM CST | @ Hawks | NBCSN/FSMW/Y98

[cprice12]

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[glen a richter]

3 wins in the same playoff season??? What is this sorcery?

Seriously, huge win. As hard as the NHL seems to be trying to give this thing to Chicago, the Blues are showing resilience like we've not seen from them in quite a long time. Take game 5 and get some rest in preparation for Dallas.

[dmiles2186]

Not to mention there are rumblings Shaw directed a gay slur at an official while he was in the box. You throw that in with the antics you guys mentioned, his candy ass should be suspended Thursday night.

Get the handshake line. Let's go boys.

He did.
He yelled, "F U you F'ing Faggot".
You can read his lips...plain as day.

What a classy guy.

People can say what they want about Ott, but he doesn't act like that. Shaw made a fool out of himself late in game 4.

I hope the media gets ahold of it and puts the squeeze on him. But I won't hold my breath.

Oh...the media knows...and You Can Play knows. It's all over the internet. Haven't seen NHL Network talk about it yet though. Waiting to get their take.
https://twitter.com/YouCanPlayTeam/status/722653343118725120

What a piece of garbage.
https://twitter.com/myregularface/status/722647439828783104

[dmiles2186]

Great, great road game. We weathered storm after storm and found/created goals when we needed to. I've dumped on Steve Ott....a lot...but his 'rally the troops' moment after the Hawks' PP goal to go up 2-1 was nothing short of inspired. I'm not saying I'm a huge Ott fan today, but I'm less of a hater, that's for sure. Kudos #9.

My only issue is that the Blues didn't get off a single shot in the last 9-ish minutes of the game. I know Hitch loves to back us into that defensive shell with a late lead, but my god, giving a high powered Chicago team 9 minutes to just shoot and shoot and shoot was insane. We got the win and I'm beyond happy today, but let's be just a tad more aggressive next time, eh?

[abc789987]

I hate Shaw just like the rest of you but I'm pretty sure this played a part in how he acted late in the game.
https://twitter.com/mkmolnar/status/722629913082216448 This crosscheck by Brouwer is Dirty. I wouldn't be surprised by a game or two. IMO he deserves it.

[dmiles2186]

I hate Shaw just like the rest of you but I'm pretty sure this played a part in how he acted late in the game.
https://twitter.com/mkmolnar/status/722629913082216448 This crosscheck by Brouwer is Dirty. I wouldn't be surprised by a game or two. IMO he deserves it.

Wow, I didn't see that last night. Yeah, I agree...that's pretty dirty. That said, Crawford got away with an awful cross check on Gunnar the other day, so I'm not all that sad it went un-penalized in the game.

[Kerfuffle]

Shaw's penalty didn't cost us the game - we were already losing by one. But what it did do is kill any chance we had to try to tie it at the end by pulling Crawford.

[cprice12]

I hate Shaw just like the rest of you but I'm pretty sure this played a part in how he acted late in the game.
https://twitter.com/mkmolnar/status/722629913082216448 This crosscheck by Brouwer is Dirty. I wouldn't be surprised by a game or two. IMO he deserves it.

Wow, I didn't see that last night. Yeah, I agree...that's pretty dirty. That said, Crawford got away with an awful cross check on Gunnar the other day, so I'm not all that sad it went un-penalized in the game.

I saw it, but at the time I thought it was a shove down, not a crosscheck. I don't want to sound like I am defending Brouwer here, because for what he did he certainly should have been penalized, but it looked like more of a shove down with the crosscheck instead of what you think of when you hear, "cross check to the head". He appeared to let Shaw get to him and then used the stick to shove him down. Shaw went down goofy, but I think it looked worse than what it actually was.
That's probably being nitpicky about it with a homer slant, but it looked like more of a shove down than an actual vicious crosscheck.
There won't be a suspension for that. Not a chance.
And like someone else said, Crawford got away with a nasty punch to the back of the head of Gunnarson, so...eye for an eye?

Bah... the Hawks can't be complaining about officiating. They have been the benefactor of some pretty bad calls and some pretty fortunate camera angles. But Quenneville did complain about the interference call on Shaw and said the consistency of the officiating went out the window there.
Are you f'ing kidding me? The consistency of the officiating?

I have zero sympathy for Brouwer not getting a penalty there. The Blues have had to fight an uphill battle against the officials all series long.

[midgensa]

The officiating in this series single-handedly led to the Hawks' Game 2 win and pretty much led completely to them getting a 2-1 lead yesterday ... they have absolutely NO room to complain.

We are in their heads and that is good. Seeing this team get TWO come-from-behind wins on the road against a squad as strong as the Hawks ... an absolutely great time to be a Blues fan.

Hopefully it remains a great time on Thursday night and we get to shake hands.

[gaijin]

I'm actually somewhat surprised by the AP Sports game recap- they normally don't mention the more controversial aspects of games, but it appears they are not shying away:

...included a fight between Crawford and Fabbri after the forward was pushed into the goaltender on a rush to the net. Crawford skated into the corner and shoved Fabbri before the two wrestled on the ice... the resulting fracas between the teams somehow generated a power play for the Blackhawks.

While sitting in the penalty box, it looked as if Shaw directed a gay slur toward someone on the ice, and a gay rights group affiliated with the NHL said it planned to reach out to the league ''to assist in an appropriate response.''

Here is the link if you want to read: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/tarasenko- ... -nhl.html#


One final thought:

...a gay rights group affiliated with the NHL said it planned to reach out to the league ''to assist in an appropriate response.''

This unnamed group get to determine how the NHL responds to Shaw's actions?

[Kerfuffle]

The powerplay after the Crawford/Fabbri incident was a result of altercations that took place AFTER that - as both Crawford and Fabbri were tagged with penalties. So the Blues did something in the fracas that followed that gave the Hawks a powerplay. I think a lot of people are thinking Fabbri got tagged and not Crawford and that was why there was a powerplay. We weren't on the ice and cameras only show so much if you aren't there so it had to have been something in the 5-on-5 scrum that followed. Crawford started the whole thing so honestly I felt the Hawks should be shorthanded but I don't know what happened after in the ensuing scrum. But you guys got a lot of breaks too so it evens out.

Shaw can't say what he did but honestly I could care less - the political correctness crowd is now going to jump all over it. A lot gets said on the ice and I think this was tame by other things. My favorite was Chelios (a redwing at the time) saying to Theo Fleury on the Hawks "hey weren't you just in rehab?" Our ice crew girls used to skate/shovel right past both benches and they had said the stuff they would hear from the visiting team was always pretty dirty as you can imagine. It got so bad they changed it and they no longer skate by the benches at all. Also I'm not sure Shaw was saying this and the ef bomb to the ref - I think it was directed to a Blues player cause otherwise he would've been tagged another 2 for unsportsmanlike/berating an official.

[fargoblues]

The powerplay after the Crawford/Fabbri incident was a result of altercations that took place AFTER that - as both Crawford and Fabbri were tagged with penalties. So the Blues did something in the fracas that followed that gave the Hawks a powerplay. I think a lot of people are thinking Fabbri got tagged and not Crawford and that was why there was a powerplay. We weren't on the ice and cameras only show so much if you aren't there so it had to have been something in the 5-on-5 scrum that followed. Crawford started the whole thing so honestly I felt the Hawks should be shorthanded but I don't know what happened after in the ensuing scrum. But you guys got a lot of breaks too so it evens out.

Shaw can't say what he did but honestly I could care less - the political correctness crowd is now going to jump all over it. A lot gets said on the ice and I think this was tame by other things. My favorite was Chelios (a redwing at the time) saying to Theo Fleury on the Hawks "hey weren't you just in rehab?" Our ice crew girls used to skate/shovel right past both benches and they had said the stuff they would hear from the visiting team was always pretty dirty as you can imagine. It got so bad they changed it and they no longer skate by the benches at all. Also I'm not sure Shaw was saying this and the ef bomb to the ref - I think it was directed to a Blues player cause otherwise he would've been tagged another 2 for unsportsmanlike/berating an official.

what color is the sky on the planet you live on?

[abc789987]

... shove down, not a crosscheck.

I took another couple looks and I can definitely see the shove. Doesn't seem as bad when you look at it that way.

I hate that I seem to be focusing on what Shaw did/said etc last night and not the Blues winning the game, but I really think Shaw might get the book thrown at him for what he said in the Box. I'm not surprised those things get said often in the game and no one notices... But Shaw is the type of guy that would be easy to scapegoat and make an example.
https://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/722771681136119809

[dmiles2186]

The powerplay after the Crawford/Fabbri incident was a result of altercations that took place AFTER that - as both Crawford and Fabbri were tagged with penalties. So the Blues did something in the fracas that followed that gave the Hawks a powerplay. I think a lot of people are thinking Fabbri got tagged and not Crawford and that was why there was a powerplay. We weren't on the ice and cameras only show so much if you aren't there so it had to have been something in the 5-on-5 scrum that followed. Crawford started the whole thing so honestly I felt the Hawks should be shorthanded but I don't know what happened after in the ensuing scrum. But you guys got a lot of breaks too so it evens out.

I know Crawford got a penalty, but saw this tweet from Kerry Fraser last night:
https://twitter.com/kfraserthecall/status/722623067428679681 Crawford was the one who initiated the whole thing, he should have been given the extra. How often have you seen a scrum happen and the team that starts it goes on the PP? It doesn't happen very often and it was a huge momentum changer for a brief moment last night.

Just curious the breaks we got? I'm not arguing, just in the moment I don't remember a whole lot of them. The early whistle when Ells didn't have the puck I remember...I'm sure we got away with a penalty here or there, but anything else specific?

[goon attack]

his candy ass should be suspended.

God I hope not. I want his imploding asd out there for sure in Game 5.

[cardsfan04]

The powerplay after the Crawford/Fabbri incident was a result of altercations that took place AFTER that - as both Crawford and Fabbri were tagged with penalties. So the Blues did something in the fracas that followed that gave the Hawks a powerplay. I think a lot of people are thinking Fabbri got tagged and not Crawford and that was why there was a powerplay. We weren't on the ice and cameras only show so much if you aren't there so it had to have been something in the 5-on-5 scrum that followed. Crawford started the whole thing so honestly I felt the Hawks should be shorthanded but I don't know what happened after in the ensuing scrum. But you guys got a lot of breaks too so it evens out.

Shaw can't say what he did but honestly I could care less - the political correctness crowd is now going to jump all over it. A lot gets said on the ice and I think this was tame by other things. My favorite was Chelios (a redwing at the time) saying to Theo Fleury on the Hawks "hey weren't you just in rehab?" Our ice crew girls used to skate/shovel right past both benches and they had said the stuff they would hear from the visiting team was always pretty dirty as you can imagine. It got so bad they changed it and they no longer skate by the benches at all. Also I'm not sure Shaw was saying this and the ef bomb to the ref - I think it was directed to a Blues player cause otherwise he would've been tagged another 2 for unsportsmanlike/berating an official.

I didn't think you could top your first paragraph (which is bonkers on its own merits). But, are you really equating a slur with asking, "weren't you in rehab?" I can somewhat buy the "they say lots of bad things on the ice" argument. But, equating those two things is really sad.

[Portland Blues]

I think one of the biggest issues for the Hawks after Shaw's toolbox move is that they had recently done some type of equality campaign or such. This make the team look like hypocrites and creates a PR problem for them if it's brushed aside.

[ecbm]

Yeah, the whole gay slur thing is very topical and the NHL won't be able to ignore it. Even without that element, the way Shaw conducted himself toward officials in fact does lead to match penalties. By the letter of the law, Crawford also should have gotten a match penalty along with an instigator. Fabbri should have been assessed no penalty at all, as he was clearly pushed into Crawford (funny how they could see that on Shaw's goal the other night but here, nope). So that should have been a 4-minute Blues power play and half the game without Crawford (which I'm not sure I want as it seems this Blues squad is getting into his head).

While I'd be fascinated to hear about these breaks the Blues are getting, let's just bring on game 5 already. Wouldn't even have to wait for that if it not for these ass clown refs.

[Kerfuffle]

Just curious the breaks we got? I'm not arguing, just in the moment I don't remember a whole lot of them. The early whistle when Ells didn't have the puck I remember...I'm sure we got away with a penalty here or there, but anything else specific?

1) The early whistle was a big one - that's one less goal we got and we lost the game by a goal.
2) Also at end of 2nd period after Blues scored powerplay to tie game at 2-2 there was a shift of 6 Blues skating around for a good while and it wasn't caught.
3) The Brouwer face-check to Shaw

[Kerfuffle]

I didn't think you could top your first paragraph (which is bonkers on its own merits).

Why is it bonkers? I said Shaw didn't lose the game for us but cost us any chance at tying it. You disagree with that?

But, are you really equating a slur with asking, "weren't you in rehab?" I can somewhat buy the "they say lots of bad things on the ice" argument. But, equating those two things is really sad

No, I'm pointing out that a lot of mean and hurtful stuff is said out there. Gotta toughen up and not be so offended by everything said out there. I still think this is mild to what is probably being said.