GDT Game 4: 4/19/16 | 8:30PM CST | @ Hawks | NBCSN/FSMW/Y98

[cardsfan04]

I didn't think you could top your first paragraph (which is bonkers on its own merits).

Why is it bonkers? I said Shaw didn't lose the game for us but cost us any chance at tying it. You disagree with that?

That was the rational part. I'm not saying we didn't catch any breaks. But, the officiating has been so overwhelmingly slanted toward Chicago that it's comical to hear our breaks pointed out by a hawks fan. Also, according to the box score, there were 5 penalties handled up on the Crawford/Fabbri thing (4 roughing/1 goalie interference). We saw what happened well enough to know that was BS.

But, are you really equating a slur with asking, "weren't you in rehab?" I can somewhat buy the "they say lots of bad things on the ice" argument. But, equating those two things is really sad

No, I'm pointing out that a lot of mean and hurtful stuff is said out there. Gotta toughen up and not be so offended by everything said out there. I still think this is mild to what is probably being said.

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I get that lots of bad things are said on the ice. I even get that the only reason this is getting this much attention is because you can read his lips on replay plain as day. I'm sure lots of terrible things are said out there that wouldn't be tolerated in normal life. I get all that.

BUT, slurs are in a class of their own as far as I'm concerned. It's not about being politically correct. It's about not saying divisive, bigoted things. I'm not saying he's necessarily a bigot. Heat of the moment, lots of adrenaline, highly emotionally-charged moment, I'll cut him some slack (although it's unfortunate that that's the first place he goes to insult someone). But, what he said was bigoted whether he is a bigot or not. And the NHL shouldn't tolerate it, because it's clearly an unacceptable thing to say. Period.

[Kerfuffle]

I'm not saying we didn't catch any breaks. But, the officiating has been so overwhelmingly slanted toward Chicago that it's comical to hear our breaks pointed out by a hawks fan.

Sorry but I completely reject the whole notion that the fix is in to hand the series to Chicago. I also reject the notion that the NHL is biased against the Blues. Both sides have had the benefit of missed calls - both sides, not just the Hawks.

Also, according to the box score, there were 5 penalties handled up on the Crawford/Fabbri thing (4 roughing/1 goalie interference). We saw what happened well enough to know that was BS.

No you didn't see it all and couldn't have from a television as there was chaos everywhere after it happened. YES Crawford started it and YES the Blues should have had a powerplay based on that alone - BUT in the ensuing scrum and pairing up something must have happened for the Blues to get tagged more and end up not only offsetting the Crawford caused incident but to end up shorthanded. That is what the refs called. Do I think it was unfair? Yes and at minimum should have been offsetting for both sides. But it is NOT due to the refs slanting the game towards the Hawks. Can we stop the conspiracy crap please?

BUT, slurs are in a class of their own as far as I'm concerned. It's not about being politically correct. It's about not saying divisive, bigoted things. I'm not saying he's necessarily a bigot. Heat of the moment, lots of adrenaline, highly emotionally-charged moment, I'll cut him some slack (although it's unfortunate that that's the first place he goes to insult someone). But, what he said was bigoted whether he is a bigot or not. And the NHL shouldn't tolerate it, because it's clearly an unacceptable thing to say. Period.

He shouldn't have said it and the NHL will punish him and he'll need to apologize and should do so. I get that you are outraged and offended by what was said - but c'mon man seriously? Toughen up - it's the playoffs.

[cardsfan04]

I'm not saying we didn't catch any breaks. But, the officiating has been so overwhelmingly slanted toward Chicago that it's comical to hear our breaks pointed out by a hawks fan.

Sorry but I completely reject the whole notion that the fix is in to hand the series to Chicago. I also reject the notion that the NHL is biased against the Blues. Both sides have had the benefit of missed calls - both sides, not just the Hawks.

I'm not a conspiracy guy. The NHL isn't trying to fix the games for Chicago. That's tinfoil hat stuff. NHL officiating is just generally bad. In this series the bad officiating is going more against the Blues than it is against the Blackhawks. It doesn't take a conspiracy theory to believe the officiating is bad.

Also, according to the box score, there were 5 penalties handled up on the Crawford/Fabbri thing (4 roughing/1 goalie interference). We saw what happened well enough to know that was BS.

No you didn't see it all and couldn't have from a television as there was chaos everywhere after it happened. YES Crawford started it and YES the Blues should have had a powerplay based on that alone - BUT in the ensuing scrum and pairing up something must have happened for the Blues to get tagged more and end up not only offsetting the Crawford caused incident but to end up shorthanded. That is what the refs called. Do I think it was unfair? Yes and at minimum should have been offsetting for both sides. But it is NOT due to the refs slanting the game towards the Hawks. Can we stop the conspiracy crap please?

Again, not conspiracy stuff. The extra minor came from goaltender interference. Check the boxscore. That was a bad call. Not because the refs are on your side. But, because it wasn't goaltender interference.

BUT, slurs are in a class of their own as far as I'm concerned. It's not about being politically correct. It's about not saying divisive, bigoted things. I'm not saying he's necessarily a bigot. Heat of the moment, lots of adrenaline, highly emotionally-charged moment, I'll cut him some slack (although it's unfortunate that that's the first place he goes to insult someone). But, what he said was bigoted whether he is a bigot or not. And the NHL shouldn't tolerate it, because it's clearly an unacceptable thing to say. Period.

He shouldn't have said it and the NHL will punish him and he'll need to apologize and should do so. I get that you are outraged and offended by what was said - but c'mon man seriously? Toughen up - it's the playoffs.

Yes, seriously. Bigoted phrases shouldn't be tolerated just because it's the playoffs. That's fucked up. If you say he was wrong and should apologize, I don't get why you are upset at somebody saying it was wrong. It makes you saying it was wrong seem hollow.

Here's a really good article from the Chicago Tribune on why what he said is a big deal:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/co ... olumn.html

[cprice12]

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/722839778325041152 I respect this.
Owning up to what he has done. Good on him.

[fargoblues]

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/722839778325041152 I respect this.
Owning up to what he has done. Good on him.

I'd respect it if he would have come clean and owned up to what he did last night when asked as opposed to today when it was clear that evidence of his actions was indisputable and in the public eye. He had that opportunity and passed it up. Just sayin'

[Kerfuffle]

In this series the bad officiating is going more against the Blues than it is against the Blackhawks. It doesn't take a conspiracy theory to believe the officiating is bad.

I don't agree - I believe both sides have gotten some big breaks.

Yes, seriously. Bigoted phrases shouldn't be tolerated just because it's the playoffs. That's fucked up. If you say he was wrong and should apologize, I don't get why you are upset at somebody saying it was wrong. It makes you saying it was wrong seem hollow.

Something can be wrong and still not be offensive to everyone. It terms of being politically correct he should apologize and stop the flames from spreading. I get that you are outraged and offended over what Shaw said (or least pretending to be) but I'm not.

[cardsfan04]

In this series the bad officiating is going more against the Blues than it is against the Blackhawks. It doesn't take a conspiracy theory to believe the officiating is bad.

I don't agree - I believe both sides have gotten some big breaks.

Yes, seriously. Bigoted phrases shouldn't be tolerated just because it's the playoffs. That's fucked up. If you say he was wrong and should apologize, I don't get why you are upset at somebody saying it was wrong. It makes you saying it was wrong seem hollow.

Something can be wrong and still not be offensive to everyone. It terms of being politically correct he should apologize and stop the flames from spreading. I get that you are outraged and offended over what Shaw said (or least pretending to be) but I'm not.

Pretending to be? He used a slur. If you think slurs are ok, good for you. I don't have to "pretend" to dislike bigoted phrases. Not sure why you would think I would "pretend" to think what he said was wrong. WTF

[cardsfan04]

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/722839778325041152 I respect this.
Owning up to what he has done. Good on him.

I'd respect it if he would have come clean and owned up to what he did last night when asked as opposed to today when it was clear that evidence of his actions was indisputable and in the public eye. He had that opportunity and passed it up. Just sayin'

Same. I mean, I'm trying to give him benefit of the doubt that it's a sincere apology. But, having trouble getting passed the fact that he kinda sorta had to apologize today.

[theohall]

Let's see. Apologizing for his language....

What about the rest of it...

Double bird going into the penalty box.
Beating on players trying to start fights. including going after Elliott, AFTER the game was over.

Look at ALL of his actions, not just the words. The jack-ass was the epitome of unsportsmanlike and got absolutely nothing for being that much of a jack-ass.

Starting fights after the whistle is supposed to be a 1-game suspension, period. But the league won't enforce it, because everyone is focusing on only the language thing.

[cprice12]

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/722839778325041152 I respect this.
Owning up to what he has done. Good on him.

I'd respect it if he would have come clean and owned up to what he did last night when asked as opposed to today when it was clear that evidence of his actions was indisputable and in the public eye. He had that opportunity and passed it up. Just sayin'

Same. I mean, I'm trying to give him benefit of the doubt that it's a sincere apology. But, having trouble getting passed the fact that he kinda sorta had to apologize today.

Better late than never. And to be honest, right after the game he is probably still riding on the emotions from the game and his default response was likely to play dumb because he probably didn't even realize he was on camera saying it. I get it. He just hadn't thought it through.

And yes, he essentially had to apologize because he was busted...and I wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks organization gave him a tongue lashing and forced him to do so.
But it is really the most you can expect after the fact from Shaw. So I'm at least happy that he did what he did...regardless of the reason.

When Keith denied that he said "wakey wakey Backes" and told the interviewer to "prove it"...that REALLY rubbed me the wrong way. So I'm glad Shaw didn't go that route.

[gaijin]

Let's see. Apologizing for his language....

What about the rest of it...

Double bird going into the penalty box.
Beating on players trying to start fights. including going after Elliott, AFTER the game was over.

Look at ALL of his actions, not just the words. The jack-ass was the epitome of unsportsmanlike and got absolutely nothing for being that much of a jack-ass.

Starting fights after the whistle is supposed to be a 1-game suspension, period. But the league won't enforce it, because everyone is focusing on only the language thing.

Where've you been, man? Sticks and stones are harmless, it's the WORDS that hurt nowadays.

[Kerfuffle]

Pretending to be? He used a slur. If you think slurs are ok, good for you. I don't have to "pretend" to dislike bigoted phrases. Not sure why you would think I would "pretend" to think what he said was wrong. WTF

Nice way to spin it but that's not what I said. I question your outrage and what I believe to be you pretending to be outraged and all up in arms over this. I think it's BS and doesn't fit with the rest of your posts over time.

[Kerfuffle]

Better late than never. And to be honest, right after the game he is probably still riding on the emotions from the game and his default response was likely to play dumb because he probably didn't even realize he was on camera saying it. I get it. He just hadn't thought it through.

yep, agreed

And yes, he essentially had to apologize because he was busted...and I wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks organization gave him a tongue lashing and forced him to do so..

Oh I guarantee you this was a forced apology and I'm sure the statement was written and prepared for him to release. Our organization has gotten real sensitive over the past 8 years regarding image - we are very attuned to being 100% politically correct which can be irritating at times. We always seem to be apologizing for someone or some organization whose feelings got hurt.

[cardsfan04]

Pretending to be? He used a slur. If you think slurs are ok, good for you. I don't have to "pretend" to dislike bigoted phrases. Not sure why you would think I would "pretend" to think what he said was wrong. WTF

Nice way to spin it but that's not what I said. I question your outrage and what I believe to be you pretending to be outraged and all up in arms over this. I think it's BS and doesn't fit with the rest of your posts over time.

I'm not pretending, and the insinuation pisses me off. I mean, I don't think this is an end of the world type of thing. The world will go on. But, I thoroughly reject any argument of using a slur as being no big deal. This is no different to me than racial slurs. It shouldn't be tolerated, for many of the reasons that the article I linked points out.

Also, if you think my posts don't suggest this is a hot-button topic for me, you've never read the politics thread. While the magnitude of what he said may not be huge on its own, he is pretty clearly on the wrong side of the line here. And, the NHL shouldn't tolerate it. Tolerating bigoted phrases leads to a hostile atmosphere.

[theohall]

Better late than never. And to be honest, right after the game he is probably still riding on the emotions from the game and his default response was likely to play dumb because he probably didn't even realize he was on camera saying it. I get it. He just hadn't thought it through.

yep, agreed

And yes, he essentially had to apologize because he was busted...and I wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks organization gave him a tongue lashing and forced him to do so..

Oh I guarantee you this was a forced apology and I'm sure the statement was written and prepared for him to release. Our organization has gotten real sensitive over the past 8 years regarding image - we are very attuned to being 100% politically correct which can be irritating at times. We always seem to be apologizing for someone or some organization whose feelings got hurt.

Apologizing for being douchebags - not because someone's feeling got hurt. That's the truth.

[cprice12]

Better late than never. And to be honest, right after the game he is probably still riding on the emotions from the game and his default response was likely to play dumb because he probably didn't even realize he was on camera saying it. I get it. He just hadn't thought it through.

yep, agreed

And yes, he essentially had to apologize because he was busted...and I wouldn't be surprised if the Hawks organization gave him a tongue lashing and forced him to do so..

Oh I guarantee you this was a forced apology and I'm sure the statement was written and prepared for him to release. Our organization has gotten real sensitive over the past 8 years regarding image - we are very attuned to being 100% politically correct which can be irritating at times. We always seem to be apologizing for someone or some organization whose feelings got hurt.

Apologizing for being douchebags - not because someone's feeling got hurt. That's the truth.

I was going to say something similar.
The message is in the receiver.
In short...don't be an insenstive asshole and you won't have to worry about anyone else "getting their feelings hurt".

[Kerfuffle]

I was going to say something similar.
The message is in the receiver.
In short...don't be an insenstive asshole and you won't have to worry about anyone else "getting their feelings hurt".

People need to be careful with what they say, he shouldn't have said it. But we also live in a time where people get upset too easily and need toughen up. i.e. Facebook putting up 59 genders to pick from is a perfect example of changing something that always seemed so clear (male/female) to now include the ridiculousness so that feelings aren't hurt.

[goon attack]

He used a slur. If you think slurs are ok

I thought this was hockey, not some contest to see who can be politically correct.

Also... Brouwer's crosscheck was low.... the douche bent down. No way was that intentionally at Shaw's face.

[cprice12]

I was going to say something similar.
The message is in the receiver.
In short...don't be an insenstive asshole and you won't have to worry about anyone else "getting their feelings hurt".

People need to be careful with what they say, he shouldn't have said it. But we also live in a time where people get upset too easily and need toughen up. i.e. Facebook putting up 59 genders to pick from is a perfect example of changing something that always seemed so clear (male/female) to now include the ridiculousness so that feelings aren't hurt.

I agree that people can tend to get offended by too much nowadays, however...that does not mean that anyone who gets offended by something you don't think should be offensive, is wrong to do so.
I think you need to take some time to really think about what you are calling "ridiculousness".

[rasrar]

These broadcasts are a joke. There was a sequence in the 1st when Chicago had 7 men on the ice. Did they replay it and point it out? Hell no. Now, in the 2nd, they sure as heck show the Blues having 6 guys and getting away with it. No bias here in the National broadcast.

The "national" broadcast is just the Chicago feed that they air on NBCSN. That explains it. I was thinking the same thing. The commentators were praising the refs the whole game.