Re: SCT: Nothing But Crosby's vs Ghey Things. (Finals Thread)
Posted: Sun May 31, 2009 8:56 pm
The fight at the end was right up there with an NBA fight.
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lol...Portland Blues wrote:The fight at the end was right up there with an NBA fight.
Not really the two players I expected to "fight" in the series. Probably the least likely would be Cooke and Maltby.Hullie wrote:lol...Portland Blues wrote:The fight at the end was right up there with an NBA fight.
Malkin attacks Z Russian style with his stick.
league already rescinded it. good.Hullie wrote:Automatic suspension for Malkin??
he got an instigator penalty in the last 5min of the game. that is the rule isn't it?
I don't think its egregious to take the Stanley Cup Finals as a special case for rules interpretation when the league deems it necessary.philco_3 wrote:You can't have the face of the NHL's butt buddy suspended. Rules are rules and he should be suspended. But wait this is the NHL too, after all they allowed Brett Hull to win to a Stanley Cup with his foot in the crease.
First off- what Malkin and Zetterberg did BARELY qualifies as a fight IMO. Secondly, the fight was the result of a scrum in front of the net and much less Malkin pointing out Zetterberg and like chasing him down or anything. They were going at it in front of the net and the gloves came off. It happens.ProngerBlues44 wrote:I am trying to post the quote, but for some reason the site or my computer is not letting me. So here's the link: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=424480
Everything of that play screams sending a message and suspension for Malkin IMO. That's horse s*** yet again by Campbell and its just another time when the NHL covets its stars.
The bolded, underlined part is what's important. The suspension is only in place until a review is held and determination is made as to whether or not a suspension is warranted. IMO, Campbell did the right thing and explained it very clearly.nhl.com wrote:Rule 47.22 states: "A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five minutes or at any time in overtime shall be suspended for one game, pending a review of the incident. The director of hockey operations will review every such incident and may rescind the suspension based on a number of criteria. The criteria for the review shall include, but not be limited to, the score, previous incidents, etc..."
Following that review, Campbell said: "None of the criteria in this rule applied in this situation. Suspensions are applied under this rule when a team attempts to send a message in the last five minutes by having a player instigate a fight. A suspension could also be applied when a player seeks retribution for a prior incident. Neither was the case here and therefore the one game suspension is rescinded."
I understand what everyone is saying, I just hate that the "reputations" get in the way of suspensions. If Pronger does this, he gets a game suspension.theohall wrote:The bolded, underlined part is what's important. The suspension is only in place until a review is held and determination is made as to whether or not a suspension is warranted. IMO, Campbell did the right thing and explained it very clearly.nhl.com wrote:Rule 47.22 states: "A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five minutes or at any time in overtime shall be suspended for one game, pending a review of the incident. The director of hockey operations will review every such incident and may rescind the suspension based on a number of criteria. The criteria for the review shall include, but not be limited to, the score, previous incidents, etc..."
Following that review, Campbell said: "None of the criteria in this rule applied in this situation. Suspensions are applied under this rule when a team attempts to send a message in the last five minutes by having a player instigate a fight. A suspension could also be applied when a player seeks retribution for a prior incident. Neither was the case here and therefore the one game suspension is rescinded."
Of course the Wings are still going to win. They always were. That was never the issue.WaukeeBlues wrote: Honestly man- shut the f*ck up. The Wings are gonna probably win the cup regardless and I'll likely break something when it happens.
If both teams have to do it, it's fair. And don't give me this age differential crap. Tired is tired and last I checked, your team has young legs too. The TV announcers sounded about ready to jump on the ice to suck the cocks of the "young and powerful and studly Wings 4th line that is just super awesome." I threw up in my mouth about 5 times towards the end of that game cause they just would not shut the f*ck up about the Wings' young talent.
God I hate the Red Wings.
Honestly man- shut the f*ck up.WaukeeBlues wrote:I don't think its egregious to take the Stanley Cup Finals as a special case for rules interpretation when the league deems it necessary.philco_3 wrote:You can't have the face of the NHL's butt buddy suspended. Rules are rules and he should be suspended. But wait this is the NHL too, after all they allowed Brett Hull to win to a Stanley Cup with his foot in the crease.
I for one didn't think that the "fight" amounted to much more than frustrated fist throwing. More importantly, I get the feeling the NHL just wants to "let 'em play" per se and not try to get involved in adversely affecting one team's ability to compete. If it were Zetterberg (or "Z" ) instigating, I would make the same argument; unless its very serious enough to warrant a suspension, the Cup Finals isn't the time to do it. My $.02
They might as well hand Detroit the Stanley Cup anyway. We all know how this story is going to end. It really doesn't matter if they suspend Malkin or not.WaukeeBlues wrote:First off- what Malkin and Zetterberg did BARELY qualifies as a fight IMO. Secondly, the fight was the result of a scrum in front of the net and much less Malkin pointing out Zetterberg and like chasing him down or anything. They were going at it in front of the net and the gloves came off. It happens.
Last- if the NHL suspended Malkin, they might as well just hand Detroit the Stanley Cup right now. It's akin to calling a 2 minute penalty against you on a questionable call late in a game when your team in down by a goal. Do you still technically have a chance to win? Yes. Likely? No. Same thing here. So in a sense, you ARE right when you say Malkin got special treatment- I just feel its for different reasons than what you and others are alluding to.
They might as well hand Detroit the Stanley Cup anyway. We all know how this story is going to end. It really doesn't matter if they suspend Malkin or not.[/quote]WestCoastWingsFan wrote:First off- what Malkin and Zetterberg did BARELY qualifies as a fight IMO. Secondly, the fight was the result of a scrum in front of the net and much less Malkin pointing out Zetterberg and like chasing him down or anything. They were going at it in front of the net and the gloves came off. It happens.
Last- if the NHL suspended Malkin, they might as well just hand Detroit the Stanley Cup right now. It's akin to calling a 2 minute penalty against you on a questionable call late in a game when your team in down by a goal. Do you still technically have a chance to win? Yes. Likely? No. Same thing here. So in a sense, you ARE right when you say Malkin got special treatment- I just feel its for different reasons than what you and others are alluding to.
If you had bothered reading anything else of this thread besides what I wrote (seriously man- how badly do I have to be in your dome to warrant three posts without you commenting on anything about what anyone else had to say) you would have seen THIS:WestCoastWingsFan wrote:Honestly man- shut the f*ck up.WaukeeBlues wrote:I don't think its egregious to take the Stanley Cup Finals as a special case for rules interpretation when the league deems it necessary.philco_3 wrote:You can't have the face of the NHL's butt buddy suspended. Rules are rules and he should be suspended. But wait this is the NHL too, after all they allowed Brett Hull to win to a Stanley Cup with his foot in the crease.
I for one didn't think that the "fight" amounted to much more than frustrated fist throwing. More importantly, I get the feeling the NHL just wants to "let 'em play" per se and not try to get involved in adversely affecting one team's ability to compete. If it were Zetterberg (or "Z" ) instigating, I would make the same argument; unless its very serious enough to warrant a suspension, the Cup Finals isn't the time to do it. My $.02
Rules are rules. If you do the crime, you do the time. Why should Malkin (and the Pens, by proxy) get special treatment?
Malkin, etc didn't get special treatment and Cambell articulates that clearly. Which is shocking given that Detroit could've gained a benefit from the decision involved and the NHL usually doesn't hesitate to do whatever it can to help out your precious Red Wings.nhl.com wrote:Rule 47.22 states: "A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five minutes or at any time in overtime shall be suspended for one game, pending a review of the incident. The director of hockey operations will review every such incident and may rescind the suspension based on a number of criteria. The criteria for the review shall include, but not be limited to, the score, previous incidents, etc..."
Following that review, Campbell said: "None of the criteria in this rule applied in this situation. Suspensions are applied under this rule when a team attempts to send a message in the last five minutes by having a player instigate a fight. A suspension could also be applied when a player seeks retribution for a prior incident. Neither was the case here and therefore the one game suspension is rescinded."