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How do you figure??? And BTW, last night's game doesn't count. Mason kept that game managable, to the best of his ability until shit fell apart late in the 2nd. Other than that, he's GAA has been pretty solid, we just weren't able to score any goals against ATL or LA. The PHX game was a complete defensive breakdown that ended with a BS goal that shouldn't have ever counted in the first place.Battra wrote:Personally, (obviously I'm late), I'm concerned about Mason.
Right now he's starting off like he did in his last year in Nashville, after he stole the job from Voukun.
What?Battra wrote:Personally, (obviously I'm late), I'm concerned about Mason.
Right now he's starting off like he did in his last year in Nashville, after he stole the job from Voukun.
The year Chris Mason stole the job from Voukun:SIU LAW wrote:What?Battra wrote:Personally, (obviously I'm late), I'm concerned about Mason.
Right now he's starting off like he did in his last year in Nashville, after he stole the job from Voukun.
Ahh..SIU LAW wrote:Using your own two eyes and common sense should help you see that Mason’s play has not been the issue.
WTF?Battra wrote:Ahh..SIU LAW wrote:Using your own two eyes and common sense should help you see that Mason’s play has not been the issue.
The common sense tact. If that's the best argument you have there's no point in continuing.
Yes I have watched games. I have been to games, thank you.SIU LAW wrote:WTF?Battra wrote:Ahh..SIU LAW wrote:Using your own two eyes and common sense should help you see that Mason’s play has not been the issue.
The common sense tact. If that's the best argument you have there's no point in continuing.
Why you getting so dismissive if someone tells you to beyond the stats and actually watch the game and critically think about what is going on?
It doesn’t take a learned hockey mind to evaluate Mason’s performance thus far.
Have you actually seen these games with your own two eyes? Yes or no?
Wow.Battra wrote:Conklin, seems to be largely unaffected by this 'shoddy play' of the Blues.
SIU LAW wrote:Wow.Battra wrote:Conklin, seems to be largely unaffected by this 'shoddy play' of the Blues.
Conklin has played TWO full games. Two wins.
Both he and Mason had shaky 1st periods in the Swedish games, but came out with wins.
Conklin’s other win (and only other full game) was in a game against the Ducks that the Blues played great. I think most would argue that was the performance of the Blues this year.
Outside of the Detroit start, Mason has been solid in every game and kept the games a lot closer than they should have been, despite some poor play or poor offensive production by the Blues.
How in the hell you can make a case that Mason’s play is “a concern” blows me away.
That’s not taking anything from Conks, he has been good. I hope continues to play well. But right now, Mason has given the team no reason to demote him.
You seem to have skipped over why I was dismissive. I see.SIU LAW wrote:Wow.Battra wrote:Conklin, seems to be largely unaffected by this 'shoddy play' of the Blues.
Conklin has played TWO full games. Two wins.
Both he and Mason had shaky 1st periods in the Swedish games, but came out with wins.
Conklin’s other win (and only other full game) was against the Ducks and the Blues played great. I think most would argue that was the performance of the Blues this year.
Outside of the Detroit start, Mason has been solid in every game and kept the games a lot closer than they should have been, despite some poor play or poor offensive production by the Blues.
How in the hell you can make a case that Mason’s play is “a concern” blows me away.
That’s not taking anything from Conks, he has been good. I hope continues to play well. But right now, Mason has given the team no reason to demote him.
The problem is you seem to be basing your opinion on stats alone...and stats rarely tell the whole story, especially with goaltending.Battra wrote:Yes I have watched games. I have been to games, thank you.SIU LAW wrote:WTF?Battra wrote:Ahh..SIU LAW wrote:Using your own two eyes and common sense should help you see that Mason’s play has not been the issue.
The common sense tact. If that's the best argument you have there's no point in continuing.
Why you getting so dismissive if someone tells you to beyond the stats and actually watch the game and critically think about what is going on?
It doesn’t take a learned hockey mind to evaluate Mason’s performance thus far.
Have you actually seen these games with your own two eyes? Yes or no?
I get dismissive because when one uses the common sense tact, it's shows that any conclusion I come to, would be stupid, if it differs from yours.
I have evaluated it, and I see it differently.
What does that mean to you?
I have concerns that he's going to falter, like he did in Nashville, and those concerns are being shown in the results.
Conklin, seems to be largely unaffected by this 'shoddy play' of the Blues.
I really didn't think it was worth arguing with you on petty comments like this...Battra wrote:You seem to have skipped over why I was dismissive. I see.
...but if you want me to, I would be glad to do so.Battra wrote:I get dismissive because when one uses the common sense tact, it's shows that any conclusion I come to, would be stupid, if it differs from yours.
I have evaluated it, and I see it differently.
What does that mean to you?
Are you really saying that the Blues have played poorly because of the goalie that was or was not in front of them for each particular game?Battra wrote:1-3-1...vs 2-0.
Hmm.
You said the blues play poorly in front of Mason, but they play better in front of Conks.
Right?
SIU LAW wrote:Battra wrote:But right now, Mason has given the team no reason to demote him.
Mason wasn't pulled last night due to the fact he was playing bad. It was purely a coaching tactic to try and change the motivation of the team.The Blues played a GREAT game vs. the Ducks. They soundly beat them up and down the rink and really limited their good scoring chances.Battra wrote:Conklin, seems to be largely unaffected by this 'shoddy play' of the Blues.
cprice12 wrote:The problem is you seem to be basing your opinion on stats alone...and stats rarely tell the whole story, especially with goaltending.Battra wrote:Yes I have watched games. I have been to games, thank you.SIU LAW wrote:WTF?Battra wrote:Ahh..SIU LAW wrote:Using your own two eyes and common sense should help you see that Mason’s play has not been the issue.
The common sense tact. If that's the best argument you have there's no point in continuing.
Why you getting so dismissive if someone tells you to beyond the stats and actually watch the game and critically think about what is going on?
It doesn’t take a learned hockey mind to evaluate Mason’s performance thus far.
Have you actually seen these games with your own two eyes? Yes or no?
I get dismissive because when one uses the common sense tact, it's shows that any conclusion I come to, would be stupid, if it differs from yours.
I have evaluated it, and I see it differently.
What does that mean to you?
I have concerns that he's going to falter, like he did in Nashville, and those concerns are being shown in the results.
Conklin, seems to be largely unaffected by this 'shoddy play' of the Blues.
With goalies, their stats can be heavily influenced by the play of the team around them.
Therefore, actually analyzing his play instead of just looking at the stats, would give you a better idea of how well Mason has played. Hence the "common sense" comment.
I'm not sure how actually analyzing Mason's play, instead of focusing solely on stats, can be criticized. It's the best way to evaluate any player.
So, you say you have watched the games...if so, then would you say he is a victim of the way the team is playing around him, or is he actually playing as bad as his stats are saying right now?