Re: Conklin or Mason
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:36 am
Please provide examples of Mason’s bad play.
Discuss the St. Louis Blues, the NHL, or whatever.
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SIU LAW wrote:I really didn't think it was worth arguing with you on petty comments like this...Battra wrote:You seem to have skipped over why I was dismissive. I see.
...but if you want me to, I would be glad to do so.Battra wrote:I get dismissive because when one uses the common sense tact, it's shows that any conclusion I come to, would be stupid, if it differs from yours.
I have evaluated it, and I see it differently.
What does that mean to you?
There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion, but I also think there comes a time when it is obvious that a person’s opinion is pretty ignorant based on the actual games themselves.
I’m sure if you took a poll, an overwhelmingly majority would find your opinion…excuse the colorfulness…pretty f-ing stupid.
Would you have said the same last year?SIU LAW wrote:Are you really saying that the Blues have played poorly because of the goalie that was or was not in front of them for each particular game?Battra wrote:1-3-1...vs 2-0.
Hmm.
You said the blues play poorly in front of Mason, but they play better in front of Conks.
Right?
Right now you are trying to assign trends based on what is currently coincidence. This is where "common sense" comes in.
That one, I didn't see.cprice12 wrote:The Blues played a GREAT game vs. the Ducks. They soundly beat them up and down the rink and really limited their good scoring chances.Battra wrote:Conklin, seems to be largely unaffected by this 'shoddy play' of the Blues.
Conklin was good in the game, but the Blues played well in front of him. He didn't have to steal the game for an sloppy Blues team that night.
Are you sure you have been watching these games?
No. You infer crying.SIU LAW wrote:Also, do I sense a little crying on how Manny was done wrong by the Blues?
Mason didn’t steal the job. Manny was given every opportunity to succeed and to pull his head out of his ass, and he was clearly the victim of his own BS and bad play.
Please tell me precisely what that has to do with anything?SIU LAW wrote:...and you think Sanford was given a raw deal here and Brewer is an awesome defenseman, right?
If what I said is true, that illustrates how you view things and hence how meritorious your opinion really is. Meritorious here meaning: "based in reality."Battra wrote:Please tell me precisely what that has to do with anything?SIU LAW wrote:...and you think Sanford was given a raw deal here and Brewer is an awesome defenseman, right?
Sanford has been gone for two seasons.
Nope. There were games the Blues played well and Manny let him some horrible goals.Battra wrote:Would you have said the same last year?
This comes back to actually watching the games and understanding what is happening.Battra wrote:Explain to me precisely, how it's coincidence. I don't see it as such, so please show me how it is.
I see. So by repeating what you've stated several times, which says nothing, about why the Blues are playing better in front of Conks, that makes it coincidence?SIU LAW wrote:Nope. There were games the Blues played well and Manny let him some horrible goals.Battra wrote:Would you have said the same last year?
This comes back to actually watching the games and understanding what is happening.Battra wrote:Explain to me precisely, how it's coincidence. I don't see it as such, so please show me how it is.
Outside of the Detroit starts/1st periods, the goalies have consistently played solid for the Blues, but the skaters (you know…the forwards and defensemen) have played very inconsistently and even poorly at times. Because Mason is this team’s starter, he has played the most games, and because he has played the most games, he is subjected to effects of the skaters inconsistencies.
Learning anything yet?
Ahh...you edited this one.SIU LAW wrote:It what I said was true, that illustrates how view things and hence how meritorious your opinion really is. Meritorious here meaning: "based in reality."Battra wrote:Please tell me precisely what that has to do with anything?SIU LAW wrote:...and you think Sanford was given a raw deal here and Brewer is an awesome defenseman, right?
Sanford has been gone for two seasons.
Nope. I'm seeing a difference in how the Blues play.SIU LAW wrote:I don’t think anymore explanation is necessary or can be done. You are trying to create a trend with very little information to base it on.
I am convinced you are bored and are arguing just to argue.
I combined two posts into one and fixed two grammar mistakes. YOU CAUGHT ME!!!!Battra wrote:Ahh...you edited this one.
???SIU LAW wrote:I combined two posts into one and fixed two grammar mistakes. YOU CAUGHT ME!!!!Battra wrote:Ahh...you edited this one.
Once again, please provide examples of Mason’s bad play.Battra wrote:Let's try again.
The Blues are performing better in front of Conklin.
Once again, if you want give and take on this topic, that's fine, but you skipped several of my posts.SIU LAW wrote:Once again, please provide examples of Mason’s bad play.Battra wrote:Let's try again.
The Blues are performing better in front of Conklin.
If you are suggesting the Blues play/react differently in front of Mason, there must be a reason why they are doing so.
Can you give examples of the games or goals where Mason has given the team a reason to play differently, and without confidence, in front of him?
Anyone else can feel free to chime in and help you with this.
Anyone?
I responded in the thread.section319 wrote:Why are you arguing with him? He comes here from the asylum and everyone argues with him, its pointless. I wondered how this thread got to 54 posts, now I see why.
It is 7 games in, how about we give it about 20-25 games before we start freaking out. We aren't going to win many games, especially against teams like the Penguins by scoring only one goal a game, Mason is hardley the problem. Mason will be fine as long as he can handle it better than Legace did.
this.section319 wrote:Why are you arguing with him? He comes here from the asylum and everyone argues with him, its pointless. I wondered how this thread got to 54 posts, now I see why.
It is 7 games in, how about we give it about 20-25 games before we start freaking out. We aren't going to win many games, especially against teams like the Penguins by scoring only one goal a game, Mason is hardley the problem. Mason will be fine as long as he can handle it better than Legace did.
Battra wrote:Once again, if you want give and take on this topic, that's fine, but you skipped several of my posts.
That's fair I think.
Tell ya what..we'll skip all the ones you ignored...and go back to the one where you attempted to answer...explaining by saying the blues played poorly.
Why is it a coincidence. Pretend I'm not as smart as you, and explain it. Start from the ground up.
Or, just tell me that it's simply your opinion, that'd be fine...but think you'd have to stop purporting it as fact.
cprice12 wrote:The Blues played a GREAT game vs. the Ducks. They soundly beat them up and down the rink and really limited their good scoring chances.
Conklin was good in the game, but the Blues played well in front of him. He didn't have to steal the game for an sloppy Blues team that night.
This concludes the need to continue this.Battra wrote:That one, I didn't see.