Re: Conklin or Mason
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:12 am
I respect your wisdom.section319 wrote:Why are you arguing with him? He comes here from the asylum and everyone argues with him, its pointless.
Discuss the St. Louis Blues, the NHL, or whatever.
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I respect your wisdom.section319 wrote:Why are you arguing with him? He comes here from the asylum and everyone argues with him, its pointless.
SIU LAW wrote:Battra wrote:Once again, if you want give and take on this topic, that's fine, but you skipped several of my posts.
That's fair I think.
Tell ya what..we'll skip all the ones you ignored...and go back to the one where you attempted to answer...explaining by saying the blues played poorly.
Why is it a coincidence. Pretend I'm not as smart as you, and explain it. Start from the ground up.
Or, just tell me that it's simply your opinion, that'd be fine...but think you'd have to stop purporting it as fact.
No thanks. Not worth my time to attempt to prove something that everyone, excepts you, seems to understand. Also, I just noticed the quoted portions below.
I’m sure you going to crow and declare that I cannot back things up. But I am guessing you will be in the extreme minority with that opinion.
cprice12 wrote:The Blues played a GREAT game vs. the Ducks. They soundly beat them up and down the rink and really limited their good scoring chances.
Conklin was good in the game, but the Blues played well in front of him. He didn't have to steal the game for an sloppy Blues team that night.This concludes the need to continue this.Battra wrote:That one, I didn't see.
ohio BLUES wrote:Bring Back Curtis Sanford!
Battra
strocklen083 wrote:ohio BLUES wrote:Bring Back Curtis Sanford!
Battra
If you guys keep arguing with this goober we'll have to rebrand this place The Asylum II. The only thing this discussion does is make me appreciate the sanctuary of sanity we have here. 99% of the time that is....
I was going to throw that out there. But didn't want to get too personal. Thanks though!section319 wrote:strocklen083 wrote:ohio BLUES wrote:Bring Back Curtis Sanford!
Battra
If you guys keep arguing with this goober we'll have to rebrand this place The Asylum II. The only thing this discussion does is make me appreciate the sanctuary of sanity we have here. 99% of the time that is....
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You can't argue with a guy who has three game worn Curtis Sanford jersey's..
And the results you listed as reasons to be concerned about Mason, were stats.Battra wrote:cprice12 wrote:The problem is you seem to be basing your opinion on stats alone...and stats rarely tell the whole story, especially with goaltending.Battra wrote:Yes I have watched games. I have been to games, thank you.SIU LAW wrote:WTF?Battra wrote:Ahh..SIU LAW wrote:Using your own two eyes and common sense should help you see that Mason’s play has not been the issue.
The common sense tact. If that's the best argument you have there's no point in continuing.
Why you getting so dismissive if someone tells you to beyond the stats and actually watch the game and critically think about what is going on?
It doesn’t take a learned hockey mind to evaluate Mason’s performance thus far.
Have you actually seen these games with your own two eyes? Yes or no?
I get dismissive because when one uses the common sense tact, it's shows that any conclusion I come to, would be stupid, if it differs from yours.
I have evaluated it, and I see it differently.
What does that mean to you?
I have concerns that he's going to falter, like he did in Nashville, and those concerns are being shown in the results.
Conklin, seems to be largely unaffected by this 'shoddy play' of the Blues.
With goalies, their stats can be heavily influenced by the play of the team around them.
Therefore, actually analyzing his play instead of just looking at the stats, would give you a better idea of how well Mason has played. Hence the "common sense" comment.
I'm not sure how actually analyzing Mason's play, instead of focusing solely on stats, can be criticized. It's the best way to evaluate any player.
So, you say you have watched the games...if so, then would you say he is a victim of the way the team is playing around him, or is he actually playing as bad as his stats are saying right now?
Again, I am NOT basing it on the stats alone...
I'm saying the proof is in the results.
I think Mason's giving up softies.
Interesting point.cprice12 wrote:And the results you listed as reasons to be concerned about Mason, were stats.Battra wrote:cprice12 wrote:The problem is you seem to be basing your opinion on stats alone...and stats rarely tell the whole story, especially with goaltending.Battra wrote:Yes I have watched games. I have been to games, thank you.SIU LAW wrote:WTF?Battra wrote: Ahh..
The common sense tact. If that's the best argument you have there's no point in continuing.
Why you getting so dismissive if someone tells you to beyond the stats and actually watch the game and critically think about what is going on?
It doesn’t take a learned hockey mind to evaluate Mason’s performance thus far.
Have you actually seen these games with your own two eyes? Yes or no?
I get dismissive because when one uses the common sense tact, it's shows that any conclusion I come to, would be stupid, if it differs from yours.
I have evaluated it, and I see it differently.
What does that mean to you?
I have concerns that he's going to falter, like he did in Nashville, and those concerns are being shown in the results.
Conklin, seems to be largely unaffected by this 'shoddy play' of the Blues.
With goalies, their stats can be heavily influenced by the play of the team around them.
Therefore, actually analyzing his play instead of just looking at the stats, would give you a better idea of how well Mason has played. Hence the "common sense" comment.
I'm not sure how actually analyzing Mason's play, instead of focusing solely on stats, can be criticized. It's the best way to evaluate any player.
So, you say you have watched the games...if so, then would you say he is a victim of the way the team is playing around him, or is he actually playing as bad as his stats are saying right now?
Again, I am NOT basing it on the stats alone...
I'm saying the proof is in the results.
I think Mason's giving up softies.
Breaking down glaring errors Mason has made, game in and game out that are costing Blues games might be a better way for you to approach this.
Just sayin'.
My apologies for my dissenting opinion.SIU LAW wrote:I respect your wisdom.section319 wrote:Why are you arguing with him? He comes here from the asylum and everyone argues with him, its pointless.
IndeedBattra wrote:Interesting point.cprice12 wrote:And the results you listed as reasons to be concerned about Mason, were stats.Battra wrote:cprice12 wrote:The problem is you seem to be basing your opinion on stats alone...and stats rarely tell the whole story, especially with goaltending.Battra wrote:Yes I have watched games. I have been to games, thank you.SIU LAW wrote: WTF?
Why you getting so dismissive if someone tells you to beyond the stats and actually watch the game and critically think about what is going on?
It doesn’t take a learned hockey mind to evaluate Mason’s performance thus far.
Have you actually seen these games with your own two eyes? Yes or no?
I get dismissive because when one uses the common sense tact, it's shows that any conclusion I come to, would be stupid, if it differs from yours.
I have evaluated it, and I see it differently.
What does that mean to you?
I have concerns that he's going to falter, like he did in Nashville, and those concerns are being shown in the results.
Conklin, seems to be largely unaffected by this 'shoddy play' of the Blues.
With goalies, their stats can be heavily influenced by the play of the team around them.
Therefore, actually analyzing his play instead of just looking at the stats, would give you a better idea of how well Mason has played. Hence the "common sense" comment.
I'm not sure how actually analyzing Mason's play, instead of focusing solely on stats, can be criticized. It's the best way to evaluate any player.
So, you say you have watched the games...if so, then would you say he is a victim of the way the team is playing around him, or is he actually playing as bad as his stats are saying right now?
Again, I am NOT basing it on the stats alone...
I'm saying the proof is in the results.
I think Mason's giving up softies.
Breaking down glaring errors Mason has made, game in and game out that are costing Blues games might be a better way for you to approach this.
Just sayin'.
You're allowed to have dissenting opinions... just not dumb ones.Battra wrote:My apologies for my dissenting opinion.SIU LAW wrote:I respect your wisdom.section319 wrote:Why are you arguing with him? He comes here from the asylum and everyone argues with him, its pointless.
Mason is the greatest goalie ever to play for the Blues and the fact that in the only other season he was the incumbent starter he was demoted and shipped out of town has nothing to do with anything.
Better?
kodos wrote:You're allowed to have dissenting opinions... just not dumb ones.Battra wrote:My apologies for my dissenting opinion.SIU LAW wrote:I respect your wisdom.section319 wrote:Why are you arguing with him? He comes here from the asylum and everyone argues with him, its pointless.
Mason is the greatest goalie ever to play for the Blues and the fact that in the only other season he was the incumbent starter he was demoted and shipped out of town has nothing to do with anything.
Better?
One mediocre season and a slow start does not equal a pattern.
Consistency is the bane of many an NHL goaltender.
Hmmm...I could be wrong, but I don't think the people you are debating with care who is in net. We just want to win hockey games. I could care less who is in goal (Mason, Conklin, Bishop, etc.), as long as he is playing well and we are winning games. Period.Battra wrote:My apologies for my dissenting opinion.SIU LAW wrote:I respect your wisdom.section319 wrote:Why are you arguing with him? He comes here from the asylum and everyone argues with him, its pointless.
Mason is the greatest goalie ever to play for the Blues and the fact that in the only other season he was the incumbent starter he was demoted and shipped out of town has nothing to do with anything.
Better?
Not if the goalie is causing the team to play different in front of him.cprice12 wrote:you can't blame goaltending when you get outshot 43-23. Sorry...but that's just stupid.