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A deadline deal for a scorer in the final year of his contract wouldn't ruffle my feathers much. As stated before, 1-2 goals a night won't get you wins forever.

Two questions: Who might be available? Will JD and crew abandon their "improve from within" ethos and sacrifice young talent for a rental?
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Why does it have to be a rental? The Devils are in terrible salary cap shape and have to shed some money somewhere. I see no reason why they wouldn't entertain the possibility of trading Parise when he's healthy again.
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Because Parise is a special player. The kind you just don't trade.

I think it's more likely they try to trade someone like Rolston or Elias for basically nothing, just to shed salary.

Since we're in the West, and have cap room, I would think we would be a good trading partner for them. Who knows.

Then again, he's gonna want the big bucks next year, so who knows.

If I was the Blues, I would be trying to get Parise now, hurt or not. I would trade almost any player on this team for Parise.
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kodos wrote:Because Parise is a special player. The kind you just don't trade.

I think it's more likely they try to trade someone like Rolston or Elias for basically nothing, just to shed salary.

Since we're in the West, and have cap room, I would think we would be a good trading partner for them. Who knows.

Then again, he's gonna want the big bucks next year, so who knows.

If I was the Blues, I would be trying to get Parise now, hurt or not. I would trade almost any player on this team for Parise.
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ok, Halak for Parise?

I wouldn't go that far.

I would offer either of these packages for Parise, bearing in mind that the last thing the Devils want to do is take on more payroll:

Boyes + Strachan + Berglund + a relatively early pick-- hell, even a first rounder

or knowing that they may not want to take on Boyes' salary:

Strachan + Berglund + Bishop or Allen (Brodeur won't be able to play forever) + a relatively early pick

I think this is generous considering NJ is in no position to be choosers. They put themselves in salary cap hell, either trade gives them something they can use at a lower price.

I have a feeling about this Nikitin kid, and I don't want them to trade him. Same for Cole. If Jackman and/or Brewer leave as FA's at seasons end, these two kids could step in, plus the money saved can go to good use.
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That's way low.

It would take something like Pietrangelo and a pick. Or Cole and a first rounder, or who knows what.

But it would take one or more of our "real deal" prospects. Not a scrub.

Parise is one of the best players in the league and he's like 25.

NJ can be picky because every team in the league wants Parise. In all likelyhood, if they want to move Parise, they will want to package up some additional baggage with him to get the salary out of their system.

I still say that they will dump Elias or Rolston way way way before Parise. Those two you could probably get for almost nothing.
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In other words, someone else they won't be able to pay and have to trade in a couple years?
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kodos wrote:Because Parise is a special player. The kind you just don't trade.

I think it's more likely they try to trade someone like Rolston or Elias for basically nothing, just to shed salary.

Since we're in the West, and have cap room, I would think we would be a good trading partner for them. Who knows.

Then again, he's gonna want the big bucks next year, so who knows.

If I was the Blues, I would be trying to get Parise now, hurt or not. I would trade almost any player on this team for Parise.
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When the Oilers traded Gretzky, that was evidence that no one is exempt from being traded for any reason, ever.

NJ has every reason to trade a guy like Parise, through their own fault.
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Same as when they traded Messier. And when Lar gave away Pronger. Common bond? Money issues. Hmmm, Lou is in all kinds of cap trouble.
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For what it's worth, they're in such a shit pickle, trading Parise might not even be enough.

They'll be best served for Brodeur to call it a career and take a guy like Bishop or Allen in a package. Pare some of that payroll. They can be good again, just that the Kovalchuk contract requires them to do some fancy roster maneuvering.
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I feel like Boyes is going to figure things out eventually.

But of course, I never get to watch an entire game out here in D.C. ... so just bits and pieces I can find on the Interweb.

I would not be in favor of pursuing a trade right now ... after another 10-20 games or so and Boyes still struggling, then maybe we can look around.

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Is parise really that good? Does he fit on this team?

And I don't think you trade stud, inexpensive, puck moving defense for offence; however, that's where our strength is. We traded D to get O before, and we still didn't win a cup. None of those guys were pie or EJ, but we still traded young D to get O.

If you really thought this was a cup team one player away from winning the big prize, maybe you trade drafts and prospects for an impact forward, but I feel like our prospects and draft have more value to the team right now.

But seriously, people, stop talking shit about trading guys we don't want for impact players. It isn't going to happen. No one is taking Jackman, Boyes, and Brewer for Ovie or the like.
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Parise is really that good. He was a stud at the University of North Dakota and he's been a stud at New Jersey. He's solid, bottom line.

Would he fit in? Yes.
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I think we wait for Parise to get healthy, then make a run at him later in the season to boost a potential playoff run.
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If Parise signs an offer sheet that NJ can't match, they are awarded 2 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, and a 3rd round pick. Anything you offer NJ will have to be better than that.

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I think Parise would excel in St. Louis and make everyone on the team better, kind of like what Halak did for us...but is he worth messing up our chemistry...yes, he is the difference between a playoff contender and a champion team.
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Do you ass bandits really think that the scoring just disappeared overnight? It will come back. Kariya wasn't that important.
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