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Kronwall's hit on Voracek

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No penalty called, league supposedly reviewing play.

A couple thoughts:

1) Not an overtly dirty hit. I don't mind it one bit

HOWEVER

2) If the hit would have been administered by, say, David Backes on, let's say, Henrik Zetterberg, you can't convince me there wouldn't have been a 5, a game misconduct, and a suspension. I would further extend my counterargument to allow for the substitution of any NHL player for David Backes and any Red Wing in for Henrik Zetterberg.

Please someone explain to me how I am incorrect.
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Re: Kronwall's hit on Voracek

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It's similar to the Cole hit that got him suspended for 3 games, but...

Those two hits are totally different because in one the initial point of contact is the head and in the other the initial point of contact is the head but the player is wearing a red wings jersey.
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fargoblues wrote:[youtube][/youtube]

No penalty called, league supposedly reviewing play.

A couple thoughts:

1) Not an overtly dirty hit. I don't mind it one bit

HOWEVER

2) If the hit would have been administered by, say, David Backes on, let's say, Henrik Zetterberg, you can't convince me there wouldn't have been a 5, a game misconduct, and a suspension. I would further extend my counterargument to allow for the substitution of any NHL player for David Backes and any Red Wing in for Henrik Zetterberg.

Please someone explain to me how I am incorrect.
You aren't.

If that hit were Voracek on Kronwell, Voracek would be out a game.

After the Wild game where the Wild where blatantly flying at our guys heads and there was a total of one game handed out (when there were at least 3 hits more egregious than the one that Cole missed 3 games over), I decided that there's just not going to be any form of consistency.

Shanahan is going to enforce hits against the Wings and pretty much let anything else just a hair short of murder slide.

It's really quite pathetic.
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Just for the record, I don't think this hit should be a suspension... BUT... BIG ASS BUTT...

If you are going to give other players suspensions for hitting a player in the head when they put themselves in a vulnerable spot, you have to give EVERY SHOT TO THE HEAD a suspension. There is no grey area here. A hit to the head is either an instant suspension or it's not.

That hit looked 10 times worse than the Cole hit.
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Little pussy wouldn't even fight the Flyers player.. :facepalm:
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kodos wrote:Just for the record, I don't think this hit should be a suspension... BUT... BIG ASS BUTT...

If you are going to give other players suspensions for hitting a player in the head when they put themselves in a vulnerable spot, you have to give EVERY SHOT TO THE HEAD a suspension. There is no grey area here. A hit to the head is either an instant suspension or it's not.

That hit looked 10 times worse than the Cole hit.
:plusplus: All day this ^

If you're going to keep your head down for THAT long then you're asking to get pummeled. Good hit, but call the damn game and suspensions consistantly.

When is the ruling? JW.
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If the league is serious about protecting players and penalizing hits to the head, especially when a player is defenseless, then they have to suspend Kronwall a few games for this hit.
This hit is way more dangerous than the Cole hit. Not even close.

Years ago, this was a legal hit. But not anymore...at least it's not supposed to be. But I'm sure Shanahan will look the other way, like he always does when it is a Wings player dishing out the illegal hit. And with Lidstrom and Datsyuk already out, suspending Kronwall would be a huge deal... no way he gets suspended, even though he should be.

Wings fans will say it was a clean hit, his elbow was down, he hit with his shoulder and didn't leave his feet...blah, blah. That doesn't matter. Kronwall could have killed Voraceck. He saw him with his head down, and he dished out a massive shoulder right to his head. Yes, Voracek should have known where he was and who was there...but Kronwall needs to know when a player is defenseless and not try to dish out a devastating hit to that player in that position. That's dirty and cheap.

Both players are to blame, but Kronwall needs to respect his opponent more than that.

The "onus" as Shanahan would say, is on Kronwall to avoid this type of hit...but he won't say that because he doesn't have the sack to suspend a Wings player...that's should be blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention.
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Can you post the video of the Cole hit for side-by-side comparison?
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Already ruled. No fine. No suspension.
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theohall wrote:Already ruled. No fine. No suspension.
Shanahan added, "Anything a Red Wing does on the ice is fine by me. Scoring goals, flopping like Foppa, hits to the Head, dropping their drawers, whatever."
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theohall wrote:Already ruled. No fine. No suspension.
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theohall wrote:Already ruled. No fine. No suspension.
So, what exactly does a Wings player have to do to get suspended?

I seriously think someone is going to have to die on the ice.
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Re: Kronwall's hit on Voracek

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cprice12 wrote:
theohall wrote:Already ruled. No fine. No suspension.
So, what exactly does a Wings player have to do to get suspended?

I seriously think someone is going to have to die on the ice.
Nah, can't prove it was that player that actually did it; could've been a clever ruse.

In order for Shanahan to actually suspend a Redwing for killing someone on the ice, he'd have to have a video capture from 3 different angles and sewn into the players actual flesh would need to be two forms of government ID. There would also need to be a uniformed federal agent captured on the video giving 2 thumbs up and orally confirming the sequence of events, as well as written confirmation from Steve Yzerman, Sergei Federov and Vladamir Konstantinov, sworn and subject to penalty of perjury. Finally, he'd need actual in-person testimony from the alleged killers grandmother asserting that he was, in fact, the person wearing the jersey and killing said opponent.

I'm not sure simply killing an opponent on the ice would be sufficient.
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