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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby theohall » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:30 pm

BoxCar wrote:If you watched the pens/flyers game 4 you could see the crackdown starting. Something started after the whistle was basically an instant ejection. The last 2 Blues games have been pretty low key as well.

Can't say I'm surprised with the Torres decision, this was their opportunity to make a statement, and it seems like they did that.




Somehow, Matt Cooke gets ejected for this. Yep - he was guilty of holding a guys stick, gets cross-checked several times, does nothing to retaliate and gets kicked out of the game. :roll:
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby not_a_wings_fan » Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:18 pm

25 games for that?

Interesting that the biggest suspension of the year is for a hit on a former Wings player...

It's a franking joke, Torres should appeal the shit out of it.

If that's 25 games, then there should have been a half dozen that were 5-10 games, imo.
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby theohall » Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:24 pm

not_a_wings_fan wrote:25 games for that?

Interesting that the biggest suspension of the year is for a hit on a former Wings player...

It's a franking joke, Torres should appeal the shit out of it.

If that's 25 games, then there should have been a half dozen that were 5-10 games, imo.


Once again - it's not that hit alone. It's Raffi Torres body of work and his continued attacks on player's heads.
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby philco_3 » Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:39 am

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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby DaDitka » Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:46 am

theohall wrote:
not_a_wings_fan wrote:25 games for that?

Interesting that the biggest suspension of the year is for a hit on a former Wings player...

It's a franking joke, Torres should appeal the shit out of it.

If that's 25 games, then there should have been a half dozen that were 5-10 games, imo.


Once again - it's not that hit alone. It's Raffi Torres body of work and his continued attacks on player's heads.



Yeah, I thought it was an over reaction at first two until I saw a breakdown on NHL Network of all his infractions. That dude's teetering on a freaking lifetime ban. With the onslaught of law suits over concussions in the NFL, it's only a matter of time till it gets more comment in the NHL as well and the owners pockets aren't nearly as deep in this league. I've heard speculation that in the next couple years some teams in the states could go belly up if the litigation nears NFL levels.
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby glen a richter » Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:41 pm

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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby fargoblues » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:50 pm

So will that douchenozzle actually review that hit? Will anything come of it?
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby ViPeRx007 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:08 pm

fargoblues wrote:So will that douchenozzle actually review that hit? Will anything come of it?


I wouldn't count on it. Who cares though? If Pie's injury is serious and he doesn't come back and King actually does get suspended, we're still the ones that are screwed. Pie is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> F'ing King. A suspension doesn't make it even.

They should have to play without their best player...damn. But alas, this is how things go.... :facepalm:
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby goon attack » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:03 pm

It might be tough to suspend King for that hit. It's apparently real difficult to judge these hits on the Blues. It's just tough, man. it's a real tough job when the Blues are the victims of hits. It's tough, man.

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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby kodos » Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:35 pm

I'd take a 5 minute penalty over a suspension. The call was blown on the ice. Nothing Shanahan can do will make up for it.

Who even cares about King? He's a mediocre depth guy... And he probably just ended the Blues season.

Suspending him will not benefit the Blues in any way.
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby glen a richter » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:19 pm

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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby cprice12 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:48 pm

kodos wrote:I'd take a 5 minute penalty over a suspension. The call was blown on the ice. Nothing Shanahan can do will make up for it.


Yeah, in this case, I agree. Suspending King will do nothing...and we could have used the 5 minute PP.
If it was Doughty who hit Petro, then a suspension would be nice...but we all know you basically have to kill a guy to get suspended if you are an elite-type player.
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby STLADOGG » Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:35 pm

ViPeRx007 wrote:
fargoblues wrote:So will that douchenozzle actually review that hit? Will anything come of it?


I wouldn't count on it. Who cares though? If Pie's injury is serious and he doesn't come back and King actually does get suspended, we're still the ones that are screwed. Pie is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> F'ing King. A suspension doesn't make it even.

They should have to play without their best player...damn. But alas, this is how things go.... :facepalm:

Yeah, suspend Doughty for a couple. That will stop this shit real fast.
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby cprice12 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:17 am

The King boarding hit on Pietrangelo...

Suspension worthy?



I honestly don't think King meant to do that, but Petro had just started to skate towards the puck, so he turned and was leaning towards the boards, then Kings gives him a shove as he is coming in with speed.
The proximity to the boards is what makes this play dangerous.
And Petro's chin is pretty much the first thing that hits the boards.

What's stupid about this whole thing is that the explanation by the league as to why it wasn't a 5 minute penalty is that the officials didn't see blood or didn't see it soon enoug. Didn't see it soon enough??

Question: As far as the aftermath, Pietrangelo being cut, did that warrant a 5-minute major?

Whitmore: "In these situations, if a player is cut to the face, and it’s visible right away, instantly, they’ll call a major … in most cases. In this case, they didn’t see the cut, the small cut, under his chin from what I’ve been told until up to a minute or so after when they were over by the bench. So it was a delay, a period of time that went by, and it’s tough for them to go over and say, ‘It’s a major now’ … because they didn’t see it after the scrum. He got off the ice. There was no visible blood. If it was running down his forehead or his cheek, it’s automatic. It’s a major game-misconduct. In this instance, they didn’t see it initially right away. They didn’t see the blood running down his chin, in his beard … one of those things."
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby cprice12 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:44 am

A Kings fan from letsgokings.com on the King hit:

Dangerous, and stupid, but not suspension worthy.


How can you look at that hit and decide that it is both dangerous and stupid... but at the same time be deemed not suspension worthy?

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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby kodos » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:53 am

Well, the league has said very clearly that this year it's refocusing it's efforts on stopping careless hits, headshots and targeting star players, so it's pretty clear why this didn't result in a suspension.

I mean come on, an illegal hit from behind, resulting in a head injury to a star player? How is that even reviewable?


That said, I think I've figured out LA's winning formula.

1. Have best player on other team get concussed.
2. ???
3. Profit!
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby fargoblues » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:57 am

cprice12 wrote:A Kings fan from letsgokings.com on the King hit:

Dangerous, and stupid, but not suspension worthy.


How can you look at that hit and decide that it is both dangerous and stupid... but at the same time be deemed not suspension worthy?

:lol:


You can rest assured they wouldn't be as ambivalent if it was Doughty getting hit by Crombeen. Just sayin'.
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Re: 2012 Playoff Suspension Thread

Postby cprice12 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:05 pm

Kerry Frasier says a major penalty should have been called.
In short...he is confused as to why things were called the way they were...and the refs absolutely blew it.

Kerry,

In Game 1 of the Blues-Kings series, Los Angeles winger Dwight King shoved Blues defenceman Alex Pietrangelo into the boards behind the net and received two minutes for boarding. As the video from the NBC Sports broadcast shows, Pietrangelo was clearly bleeding from the chin, the initial point of contact with the boards. Apparently the ref was called over to the bench to examine the injury, but did not ammend the original call. What gives? Should this have been a major penalty?

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I did not like this illegal hit (video link) or the penalty assessment one bit. Even if there had been the absence of an injury to the chin of Alex Pietrangelo, based on the degree of violence of the impact with the boards a major penalty was warranted under rule 41.3—boarding and needed to be identified as such. If this type of "check" from behind and resulting impact with the boards is only worthy of a minor penalty I am fearful for what it will take for a major infraction to be identified by the referees.

The only element that could be factored in and have prevented this hit from being qualified as a check from behind (rule 43—major and game misconduct) is the fact that Pietrangelo was able to raise his hands at the moment just prior to impact with the boards to offer some form of self-protection. Had Alex Pietrangelo been any closer to the boards when he was hit from behind by Dwight King with this velocity I doubt that he would have had sufficient time to defend himself in any capacity. At that point Pietrangelo's face and head would have taken the full impact of this illegal check.

Once Alex Pietrangelo was at his bench it became obvious that an injury did result from the boarding infraction as was observed by the back referee Stephen Walkom. It is most confusing to me why the initial boarding minor was not then changed to a major and game misconduct penalty as a result of the injury. Rule 41.5 reads, "When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed."

Once blood became evident dripping down Pietrangelo's neck that resulted from a chin cut beneath the Blues defenceman's playoff growth the call became relatively academic at this point. A quick conference between the two referees should have been convened and the minor penalty initially assessed to King changed to major and game misconduct given the new evidence.

At this time of year when most players sport added facial hair it is best that the referee(s) not rush to judgment or to the penalty box to assess the penalty until it is clearly determined that no injury resulted on the play. It can take extra time for the presence of blood (injury) to appear through leathered skin, old scar tissue and beards. I'm not talking about a player squeezing a pimple or similar efforts to draw a penalty but when a player's face contacts the boards there is a chance that injury may result.

In a previous column I wrote about the referees need to correctly identify the difference between minor and major infractions. In that article I cited 3 situations where minor penalties had been assessed and players were allowed to remain in the game only to be justly suspended by Brendan Shanahan after a review. I questioned whether the officials have become desensitized to many of the dangerous hits that take place or might just prefer to pass the final judgment upstairs to the Player Safety Committee.

The illegal hit that Dwight King delivered to the back of Alex Pietrangelo is for me, another example of the guys on the ice not differentiating between a minor boarding penalty and a legitimate major infraction that resulted in an injury to a player.

The poor decision that Dwight King made on taking Alex Pietrangelo hard into the end boards from behind was worthy of major penalty based on the degree of violence with the impact of the boards as the rule suggests. The fact that injury was eventually detected to the chin of Pietrangelo should have also resulted in the assessment a game misconduct.

The referees are the first line of defense when it comes to player safety. The refs' judgment and penalty assessment goes a long way in forcing players to make better decisions in the moment so they don't place their team at a disadvantage. Players need to know what constitutes the difference in their actions for the assessment of a minor or major infraction to result. So far the difference has been often clear as mud.

Before clarity can occur for the players it is imperative that the entire referee community needs to clearly know difference. Not all of them do.
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