Let's Go Blues

Blues prospect Ty Rattie helped the Portland Winterhawks win the WHL Championship on Sunday with a 5-1 win over the Edmonton Oil Kings at Rexall Place.

Rattie, 20, recorded a hat trick in the game. Two of his goals were scored while shorthanded.

Rattie finished the postseason with 20 goals during the 2013 WHL playoffs and has set a new WHL record with 50 career playoff goals, surpassing the previous mark of 47, which was originally set by Mark Pederson in 1988.

Rattie was also named the MVP of the WHL Championship series. He finished the postseason with 20 goals and 16 assists (36 points) in 21 games.

A 2011 second round pick of the Blues, Rattie has played with the Winterhawks since the 2008-09 season. In 62 regular season games this year, Rattie scored 48 goals and 62 assists.

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While true that Juniors success does not automatically equal NHL success, good to see our 2nd round picks making some noise. We're going to have to come away with some steals in these drafts where we've dealt our first rounders to keep pace on the farm and keep prospects moving through the system.

WaukeeBlues wrote:Rattie finished the postseason with 20 goals during the 2013 WHL playoffs and has set a new WHL record with 50 career playoff goals, surpassing the previous mark of 47, which was originally set by Mark Pederson in 1988.

Mark Pederson played 169 career NHL games, scoring 35 goals and 50 assists for 85 points.

So really, this record means nothing and there's little translation between leagues. Most 20 year olds who are going to light up the NHL are playing in the AHL or somewhere else. If he had topped Ray Ferraro's 108 goals in a season performance (192 pts) from '83-'84 we would have something.

Kid is 6'1' and weighs about 170... he's going to need to really bulk up to be a difference maker in the NHL.

True, but a lot of very good NHL players started in the WHL.

not_a_wings_fan wrote:

WaukeeBlues wrote:Rattie finished the postseason with 20 goals during the 2013 WHL playoffs and has set a new WHL record with 50 career playoff goals, surpassing the previous mark of 47, which was originally set by Mark Pederson in 1988.

Mark Pederson played 169 career NHL games, scoring 35 goals and 50 assists for 85 points.

So really, this record means nothing and there's little translation between leagues. Most 20 year olds who are going to light up the NHL are playing in the AHL or somewhere else. If he had topped Ray Ferraro's 108 goals in a season performance (192 pts) from '83-'84 we would have something.

Kid is 6'1' and weighs about 170... he's going to need to really bulk up to be a difference maker in the NHL.

Ryan Nugent-hopkins. WHL to NHL. and most prospect reports compare these two to each other very favorably.

theohall wrote:

not_a_wings_fan wrote:

WaukeeBlues wrote:Rattie finished the postseason with 20 goals during the 2013 WHL playoffs and has set a new WHL record with 50 career playoff goals, surpassing the previous mark of 47, which was originally set by Mark Pederson in 1988.

Mark Pederson played 169 career NHL games, scoring 35 goals and 50 assists for 85 points.

So really, this record means nothing and there's little translation between leagues. Most 20 year olds who are going to light up the NHL are playing in the AHL or somewhere else. If he had topped Ray Ferraro's 108 goals in a season performance (192 pts) from '83-'84 we would have something.

Kid is 6'1' and weighs about 170... he's going to need to really bulk up to be a difference maker in the NHL.

Ryan Nugent-hopkins. WHL to NHL. and most prospect reports compare these two to each other very favorably.

So hes the two best parts of a snickers that isn't peanuts?

I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I'll pencil him in for the 14 goals and 23 assists that all of our "goal scorers" give us.

sseagle wrote:

theohall wrote:

not_a_wings_fan wrote:

WaukeeBlues wrote:Rattie finished the postseason with 20 goals during the 2013 WHL playoffs and has set a new WHL record with 50 career playoff goals, surpassing the previous mark of 47, which was originally set by Mark Pederson in 1988.

Mark Pederson played 169 career NHL games, scoring 35 goals and 50 assists for 85 points.

So really, this record means nothing and there's little translation between leagues. Most 20 year olds who are going to light up the NHL are playing in the AHL or somewhere else. If he had topped Ray Ferraro's 108 goals in a season performance (192 pts) from '83-'84 we would have something.

Kid is 6'1' and weighs about 170... he's going to need to really bulk up to be a difference maker in the NHL.

Ryan Nugent-hopkins. WHL to NHL. and most prospect reports compare these two to each other very favorably.

So hes the two best parts of a snickers that isn't peanuts?

Sometimes.

theohall wrote:

not_a_wings_fan wrote:

WaukeeBlues wrote:Rattie finished the postseason with 20 goals during the 2013 WHL playoffs and has set a new WHL record with 50 career playoff goals, surpassing the previous mark of 47, which was originally set by Mark Pederson in 1988.

Mark Pederson played 169 career NHL games, scoring 35 goals and 50 assists for 85 points.

So really, this record means nothing and there's little translation between leagues. Most 20 year olds who are going to light up the NHL are playing in the AHL or somewhere else. If he had topped Ray Ferraro's 108 goals in a season performance (192 pts) from '83-'84 we would have something.

Kid is 6'1' and weighs about 170... he's going to need to really bulk up to be a difference maker in the NHL.

Ryan Nugent-hopkins. WHL to NHL. and most prospect reports compare these two to each other very favorably.

My point about our guy is he is scoring like that @ 20 years old in the WHL. Nugent-Hopkins is also 20 years old - and just completed his second year in the NHL. Our guy is older and more developed than his competition, and it doesn't seem like it will translate well to the NHL - particularly if he's not able to bulk up.

He's a 7.5 C on hockey futures - if everything comes out perfect for him he's a poor firstline or great second line player. But it's likely he never makes that potential.

I am not bagging the guy, but I don't expect him to be a significant upgrade or "game changing" impact player, which is what this team needs in the scoring zone.

You shouldn't assign too much significance to numbers logged by 'over-agers' in Juniors.

I assume the reason both Jaskin and Rattie played in Major Junior this year was related to the lock-out.

But it is nice to have a situation where we actually have several forward prospects with scoring line potential

Okay, so if Ty Rattie isn't the solution, who is or who could be? I hear alot of vagueness going and this guy has been good since Day One, so translating into the league just means getting his butt out there to play. If he's skating circles around the others in his league, isn't that a clear sign that Ty is ready?

Brent Sonne had a great season once upon a time too. I'd love for Rattie to come in and light up the lamp regularly, but realistically that probably won't happen, especially in Hitch's system. The only people impressed with the Blues drafting has been, well, us. What do we really have to show for it?

Oaklandblue wrote:Okay, so if Ty Rattie isn't the solution, who is or who could be? I hear alot of vagueness going and this guy has been good since Day One, so translating into the league just means getting his butt out there to play. If he's skating circles around the others in his league, isn't that a clear sign that Ty is ready?

I think it's a clear sign that he has nothing more to prove and should get his shot. I'm not sure if it's a clear sign he's ready for the NHL though. 170 pounds is pretty small. AMac is 183. He's young and will bulk up some over time, but he's really small. I'm excited to see what he can do, but I'm cautiously optimistic.

I think the recent Post Dispatch fluff piece on him said he had bulked up to 190.

I don't think anyone is expecting him to come in and be a 30 goal scorer in the NHL. He'll most likely end up as a 2nd/3rd liner who can pot 20ish per year.

EDIT: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/p ... 77c85.html

180

Amac is also 5'8' - so that 183 is a ton more solid than this tall skinny kid at 180.

I think he's a nice piece, and I think he may turn in to a serviceable player. My point is more to people who think he's going to play point per game hockey at the next level - that's an unreasonable expectation.

But as a "maybe" 20 goal per year guy, he's just another part because we have a bunch of guys that do that. What we don't have is a 30-40 goal/point a game type forward, or, said another way, and elite scoring forward. This inability to consistently finish is killing this team.

I see this player more as a replacement for a similar talent at a higher price tag rather than as an additional scoring threat. The addition of a guy like rattie to the roster can free up cash to put towards a free agent or trade that can bring a real #1 scoring line threat to this team.

I go back to the CBJ getting Gaborik at the trade deadline and wonder what that type of finisher does for our team, both in his own production and in the space created for other players while defenses try to shut him down.

We really can't get any better from a defensive standpoint - our losses were more about inability to finish our chances than our ability to limit/create chances.

His team is in the semi-finals now. Great experience for him.

Players that tear it up in leagues before getting to the NHL sometimes become stars in the NHL.
Players that don't tear it up in leagues before getting to the NHL, rarely become stars in the NHL, and quite often don't make it to the NHL at all.

I'd rather he be tearing it up than not tearing it up. And if he can come in and score 20+ goals a year, that's a winner. Anything else is icing.
Looking forward to seeing him in training camp.

cprice12 wrote:Players that tear it up in leagues before getting to the NHL sometimes become stars in the NHL.
Players that don't tear it up in leagues before getting to the NHL, rarely become stars in the NHL, and quite often don't make it to the NHL at all.

I'd rather he be tearing it up than not tearing it up. And if he can come in and score 20+ goals a year, that's a winner. Anything else is icing.
Looking forward to seeing him in training camp.

This is hockey, not cake. Icing = bad!

sseagle wrote:

cprice12 wrote:Players that tear it up in leagues before getting to the NHL sometimes become stars in the NHL.
Players that don't tear it up in leagues before getting to the NHL, rarely become stars in the NHL, and quite often don't make it to the NHL at all.

I'd rather he be tearing it up than not tearing it up. And if he can come in and score 20+ goals a year, that's a winner. Anything else is icing.
Looking forward to seeing him in training camp.

This is hockey, not cake. Icing = bad!

WTF?

Icing on cake rules. Icing in hockey is only bad half the time.

cprice12 wrote:

sseagle wrote:

cprice12 wrote:Players that tear it up in leagues before getting to the NHL sometimes become stars in the NHL.
Players that don't tear it up in leagues before getting to the NHL, rarely become stars in the NHL, and quite often don't make it to the NHL at all.

I'd rather he be tearing it up than not tearing it up. And if he can come in and score 20+ goals a year, that's a winner. Anything else is icing.
Looking forward to seeing him in training camp.

This is hockey, not cake. Icing = bad!

WTF?

Icing on cake rules. Icing in hockey is only bad half the time.

Pie > cake. Icing = bad news