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Is Jake Allen the Answer?

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The reason I ask this question is because he's in the Calder Cup and he's (2-2, GAA 3.09, SV% .884). The Chicago Wolves are a #2 seed and the Rochester Americans are #7. That's AHL people and not getting it done. I know we have high hopes for the kid but no way he's a NHL starter. Let me know what you guys think...

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not to read too much into a single game but I groaned seeing the game 4 stats. At home with a chance to eliminate the other team, he gave up 5 goals on 17 shots in a period and a half.
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flyingnote38 wrote:not to read too much into a single game but I groaned seeing the game 4 stats. At home with a chance to eliminate the other team, he gave up 5 goals on 17 shots in a period and a half.
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Yeah but game 3 he was stellar.


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Misc. Blues wrote:
flyingnote38 wrote:not to read too much into a single game but I groaned seeing the game 4 stats. At home with a chance to eliminate the other team, he gave up 5 goals on 17 shots in a period and a half.
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If I recall correctly, Army said he was planning on watching the Wolves play the rest of their playoffs, so he was undoubtedly viewing this first hand. Gotta wonder if Allen's performance today (and hopefully in subsequent rounds) will impact Army's decision on who he signs. Like whether he might go for an older mentor type if he think Allen's ready to carry the mail or if he opts for a guy to compete for the starting job for the forseeable future.
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I've never thought Jake Allen was the #1 guy going into next year. I was all for re-signing Miller but if we go Elliott and Allen and split those starts about 50-32 or something like that, I won't be opposed. But there's no way you send the kid up and immediately make him #1. To answer the question, I think he is the answer a season or two or three down the road, but not 2014-2015.
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I think what Army said about Allen's role next year is exactly what it should be. He will be given the chance to compete for starts. They should absolutely not hand the starting job over to him just because he's Jake Allen. But, since he's going to be here next year, give him the opportunity to earn what he gets. If we have the opportunity to sign a good goalie to be the starter, we shouldn't pass on it because of Jake Allen.
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Ken Dryden, Patrick Roy, Cam Ward... Jake Allen?

I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying. He would have a great D in front of him and if there was just a bit more scoring (we've talked about this a million times) the Blues system is such that pretty much anyone with hockey sense could succeed in goal and Allen could very well be the guy to take us to the Cup. After a full season of NHL experience I think he'd be good to go in the playoffs. Actually, does Jake count as a rookie anymore, or did he play too much last season?
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glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.

Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
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glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.

Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.
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glen a richter wrote:
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glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.

Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.
If the team chooses to go your route, I'd fully support it. If they feel Allen is good to go, then I will. But in the back of my mind, I'll always have flashes of Rick Ankiel. Just never know when that might happen.
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dmiles2186 wrote:
glen a richter wrote:
dmiles2186 wrote:
glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.

Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.
If the team chooses to go your route, I'd fully support it. If they feel Allen is good to go, then I will. But in the back of my mind, I'll always have flashes of Rick Ankiel. Just never know when that might happen.
Are you afraid every time Allen tries to play the puck he'll wildly shoot it over the boards for a delay of game penalty?
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glen a richter wrote:
dmiles2186 wrote:
glen a richter wrote:
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glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.

Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.
If the team chooses to go your route, I'd fully support it. If they feel Allen is good to go, then I will. But in the back of my mind, I'll always have flashes of Rick Ankiel. Just never know when that might happen.
Are you afraid every time Allen tries to play the puck he'll wildly shoot it over the boards for a delay of game penalty?
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dmiles2186 wrote:
glen a richter wrote:
dmiles2186 wrote:
glen a richter wrote:
dmiles2186 wrote:
glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.

Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.
If the team chooses to go your route, I'd fully support it. If they feel Allen is good to go, then I will. But in the back of my mind, I'll always have flashes of Rick Ankiel. Just never know when that might happen.
Not everyone is a talent wasting star pitcher. And if he screws the pooch as a goalie, the team can convert him to the offensive superstar we're all pining for.

Not everyone is a talent-wasting star pitcher. And if Allen screws the pooch as a goalie, they can convert him to the offensive mega-star we all pine for.
Are you afraid every time Allen tries to play the puck he'll wildly shoot it over the boards for a delay of game penalty?
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dmiles2186 wrote:
glen a richter wrote:
dmiles2186 wrote:
glen a richter wrote:
dmiles2186 wrote:
glen a richter wrote:I don't know if he's 100% certainly the answer in goal for next season, but I don't see the harm in trying.
I can see some harm. This is a team that had 111 points in the regular season. If Jake comes in and the pressure is too much, you could set him back and this team back moving forward. Is that a risk worth taking? I say if we get Brian Elliott back at a nice rate, it's not. No need to rush Allen along at all. Give him the chance to come in and win the job if he outplays Elliott. Make him earn it.

Also remember, Cam Ward wasn't the starter during the regular season of his rookie year. His numbers during his in 2005-2006: 28 starts, 14-8-2, 3.68, .882. Not stellar numbers at all. It was after the team was down 0-2 in Round 1 that he came in and ripped off a classic performance.
When this team was falling off the face of the Earth, Halak was injured and Elliott was playing much like I, a non-hockey player, would be playing if I were drunk and trying to play NHL caliber hockey, who came in and settled things down? Jake Allen. I'm not even the slightest bit concerned that he'd crack under any sort of pressure. Ever.
If the team chooses to go your route, I'd fully support it. If they feel Allen is good to go, then I will. But in the back of my mind, I'll always have flashes of Rick Ankiel. Just never know when that might happen.
Not everyone is a talent-wasting star pitcher. And if Allen screws the pooch as a goalie, they can convert him to the offensive mega-star we all pine for.
Are you afraid every time Allen tries to play the puck he'll wildly shoot it over the boards for a delay of game penalty?
The yips, man. Can't get out of his own head. Basic things become monumental to achieve.
Not everyone is a talent wasting star pitcher. And if he screws the pooch as a goalie, the team can convert him to the offensive superstar we're all pining for.
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I have no idea why that double posted and also why I can't delete the first one, but so be it.
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glen a richter wrote:Not everyone is a talent wasting star pitcher. And if he screws the pooch as a goalie, the team can convert him to the offensive superstar we're all pining for.
'Talent wasting?' That's the point. Ankiel was a star, he was killing it. And then he just fell apart and couldn't get it back. I don't call that talent wasting. I mean, it's not like he didn't have a work ethic, he didn't have the stuff, he overrated, anything like that. He just had a mental block that completely forced him to change his position.

But I digress. I don't mean to hi-jack a goalie thread by talking Rick Ankiel. It's an extreme example, I know. But goalie is probably the most mentally draining position on the ice. There's nothing wrong with leaving the training wheels on too long. But if you take them off too early...
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I'm with dmiles. If he earns it, you let him take it. But, I think it's best to go into the season with a plan of something like a 50-32 split with Allen getting 32. If he does great, sure, give him the chance to play more. It would be foolish to blindly make him the #2, but I think he should go into the year as a #2 with the opportunity to become a #1.
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Not next year.
Sign Miller to 2 years. Then when Miller leaves, Allen has a guy who taught him well and can step in, when ready.
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I didn't read any of that other shit...


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STLADOGG wrote:Not next year.
Sign Miller to 2 years. Then when Miller leaves, Allen has a guy who taught him well and can step in, when ready.
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