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To Carolina with Bokk for Justin Faulk

Just saw this.

Holy shit man. What a deal. I'm not thrilled about losing Bokk but swapping out Edmundson for Faulk is a massive upgrade!

Makes me nervous trading Bokk away though, I gotta be honest. Maybe we're thrilled with Kostin? Either way, WOW

My eyes about blew out of my head when I saw this today.

This is also a clear shot across the bow to Pietrangelo. I'm sure Armstrong doesn't want to move on from him but now with Faulk on board and an extension in place, we can if we need to.

So there's that.

Holy jumpin! That's crazy man, I was excited about Bokk but I'm thinking that Kostin's stellar preseason may have played a factor in this.

That makes the Blues absolutely loaded with RD for this season. Pietrangelo, Parayko, and Faulk is nuts. As Waukee says, a clear shot across the bow in terms of what Pietrangelo can expect. Parayko's playoff performance was so damn phenomenal he's probably ready to be a #1 pairing guy. Something has to give eventually.

glen a richter wrote:Holy jumpin! That's crazy man, I was excited about Bokk but I'm thinking that Kostin's stellar preseason may have played a factor in this.

Yup, I just said the same thing on Facebook: Blues brass must feel really secure with the status of our forward prospects that they're willing to part with Bokk.

theohall wrote:That makes the Blues absolutely loaded with RD for this season. Pietrangelo, Parayko, and Faulk is nuts. As Waukee says, a clear shot across the bow in terms of what Pietrangelo can expect. Parayko's playoff performance was so damn phenomenal he's probably ready to be a #1 pairing guy. Something has to give eventually.

Can Faulk play left at all or will he just be miscast as a third pairing D?

Yup, I think there's no question if Pietro is too high on his dollars and term next summer, he's gone. That'd make me sad but I think this is clearly Armstrong preparing for that possibility.

What does this do to the cap space?

I'm SHOCKED they traded Bokk. SHOCKED.

Faulk seems like a good offensive dman, (just looking at numbers, I don't know that much else about him) but with the extension, Petro is gone. Hate to say it because I love him, but the Blues can't afford Petro, Parayko, Dunn ($2-3m next year?) AND Faulk unless you find a taker for Steen AND Bozak. Or I guess you could just let Schenn go.

Even if we did resign Petro, we can only protect 3 dmen from Seattle. Are we really going to expose the 28 year old making $6.5m or the 31(?) year old making $8-$9m in Petro?

I'm hearing mixed things from Canes fans. Some are saying Faulk is a lazy turnover machine and others are saying we got a really good player.

I don't think lazy is going to cut it with this coaching staff and I'm sure they can get that part of his game to disappear real fast. I also agree with this being the beginning of the end for Petro. Such is life, there are other guys in the system on their way in soon--Mikkola, Perunovich, Tucker is developing well ahead of what his draft slot projected him to be.

As far as Bokk, he's a victim of being a prospect on a team with a lot of forward depth. In terms of when he'd be NHL ready there's a lot of guys who are NHL ready before him. Just a matter of moving the last guy up instead of the next guy up.

glen a richter wrote:I'm hearing mixed things from Canes fans. Some are saying Faulk is a lazy turnover machine and others are saying we got a really good player.

I don't think lazy is going to cut it with this coaching staff and I'm sure they can get that part of his game to disappear real fast. I also agree with this being the beginning of the end for Petro. Such is life, there are other guys in the system on their way in soon--Mikkola, Perunovich, Tucker is developing well ahead of what his draft slot projected him to be.

As far as Bokk, he's a victim of being a prospect on a team with a lot of forward depth. In terms of when he'd be NHL ready there's a lot of guys who are NHL ready before him. Just a matter of moving the last guy up instead of the next guy up.

If Petro is still here and making 8-10 per, he is one of the three you leave exposed. This is what The Athletic's analtyics guru wrote about Parayko in the Blues 19-20 preview. In other words, Parayko is ready to be THE #1 d-man, already.

By Dom Luszczyszyn wrote:If last season was any indication, that honor may best be bestowed on Parayko, who finishes just shy of Pietrangelo’s projected win rate but surpassed him in value last season. He’s a top 20 defenseman in the league with his impact being mostly felt on defense, where he is the league’s best according to my model. His combined ability to consistently suppress goals and expected goals is second to none. Last year his expected goals against RAPM was second best to only Niklas Hjalmarsson while his actual goals against rate was first. Perhaps even more impressive is that despite being one of hockey’s most effective shutdown defenders, Parayko plays a very clean game with a projected plus-three penalty differential that ranks as one of the league’s best. That’s very difficult to do in his role.

Add this up - someone is gone in 20-21 be it Pietrangelo or Faulk - which is also a possibility. Faulk is a better PP defenseman than Pietrangelo. IMO, Faulk is not as good defensively, which is why he would become the 2nd pairing guy with Parayko logging 25+ minute nights as the 1st pairing guy - referring to the 20-21 season and beyond. Of course, under the Blues tutelage, Faulk will probably become better defensively given the system the Blues run.

I'm not sure why everyone so excited for having Kevin Shattenkirk back in the lineup

this trade suxx coxx

JCShutout wrote:I'm SHOCKED they traded Bokk. SHOCKED.

Faulk seems like a good offensive dman, (just looking at numbers, I don't know that much else about him) but with the extension, Petro is gone. Hate to say it because I love him, but the Blues can't afford Petro, Parayko, Dunn ($2-3m next year?) AND Faulk unless you find a taker for Steen AND Bozak. Or I guess you could just let Schenn go.

Even if we did resign Petro, we can only protect 3 dmen from Seattle. Are we really going to expose the 28 year old making $6.5m or the 31(?) year old making $8-$9m in Petro?

I don't know that he's "GONE" as a definite matter, it's just all on him and how badly he wants to stay in the bluenote.

I think this is a clear signal that the Blues are prepared to move on without him but I don't think that's the "plan" necessarily. It'd be really stupid to not even explore re-signing your best (2nd best?) defenseman on the team just because.

As always, depends on the AAV and term. If he wants max term max dollars, he's gone. If he comes way down on that he won't be. It's really that simple to me.

[quote="JCShutout"]I'm SHOCKED they traded Bokk. SHOCKED.

Faulk seems like a good offensive dman, (just looking at numbers, I don't know that much else about him) but with the extension, Petro is gone. Hate to say it because I love him, but the Blues can't afford Petro, Parayko, Dunn ($2-3m next year?) AND Faulk unless you find a taker for Steen AND Bozak. Or I guess you could just let Schenn go.

I'm Okay with this move. I don't see this as Pietrangelo leaving. I think he'll want to stay, and The Blues will find a way to fit him in under the cap. Faulk should help The Blues' 2nd PP shift, and one of the current right side defencemen can move to the left side in an emergency. In the mean time, The Blues' defence will be very strong and deep. Faulk can play 3rd shift plus PP time. That might get him up to 17-18 minutes, with a little fill-in on The 2nd shift when players are tired, or late in games when the outcome is no longer in doubt. Two great Blues' seasons. After this season, Steen retires, is bought out, or traded(with his consent), Allen is replaced by low-cost Husso, and, depending upon how Thomas, Kyrou, Blais, Barbashev, and Kostin play, Bozak may be moved, too, and Pietrangelo is resigned. Then, after the 2nd season, Faulk is offered to Seattle as leaving available bait, for them not to take another Blue left unprotected. The Blues have 2 great years, and then their current youngsters blossom into difference-making NHLers.

I'd much rather have Petro and Schenn at $15m combined than Faulk and Bozak at $11m combined, but I'm coming around and accepting the fact that Schenn is likely gone. If you resign Petro, the money has to come from somewhere, and I don't think you can bank on a trade of Steen/Bozak. If we can trade those guys, then awesome, but I don't expect it.

I’m not necessarily against not re-signing Schenn assuming the replacement is in house and will project to be at least as good. Obviously there’s a money savings involved if they think guys like Sanford, Kostin, Kyrou and the kid they just drafted whose name slips my mind... Andronov? can realistically replace Schenn, Steen and Bozak. Plus you’re probably replacing Bouw with a cheaper kid next season. There won’t be a lack of money, it’s a matter of which kids are ready to answer the bell.

Trading Bokk did throw a wrench in that, but the depth is there within the organization and it’s an issue of whether or not it’ll pan out. Winning the Cup definitely gave Army the luxury of time to see if it does or not. The sense of urgency eased up a little thanks to last season. I’d give him 2-3 years before we start chomping at the bit for answers to what this teams future looks like.

Faulkenkirk is -100 for his career. And then we sign him to a massive extension?

Put down the crack pipe, Army.

Robb_K wrote:

JCShutout wrote:I'm SHOCKED they traded Bokk. SHOCKED.

Faulk seems like a good offensive dman, (just looking at numbers, I don't know that much else about him) but with the extension, Petro is gone. Hate to say it because I love him, but the Blues can't afford Petro, Parayko, Dunn ($2-3m next year?) AND Faulk unless you find a taker for Steen AND Bozak. Or I guess you could just let Schenn go.

I'm Okay with this move. I don't see this as Pietrangelo leaving. I think he'll want to stay, and The Blues will find a way to fit him in under the cap. Faulk should help The Blues' 2nd PP shift, and one of the current right side defencemen can move to the left side in an emergency. In the mean time, The Blues' defence will be very strong and deep. Faulk can play 3rd shift plus PP time. That might get him up to 17-18 minutes, with a little fill-in on The 2nd shift when players are tired, or late in games when the outcome is no longer in doubt. Two great Blues' seasons. After this season, Steen retires, is bought out, or traded(with his consent), Allen is replaced by low-cost Husso, and, depending upon how Thomas, Kyrou, Blais, Barbashev, and Kostin play, Bozak may be moved, too, and Pietrangelo is resigned. Then, after the 2nd season, Faulk is offered to Seattle as leaving available bait, for them not to take another Blue left unprotected. The Blues have 2 great years, and then their current youngsters blossom into difference-making NHLers.

It can absolutely work. I think one way or another Steen is gone after this year, either via buyout or trade (with his consent). Bozak could be same. Jake Allen, as you mention. There's enough guys with one years left on their deals after this season there's wiggle room to make the cap work IF Armstrong decides he wants to keep Pietro and Schenn, and obviously re-signing Dunn.

Might have to get creative a bit but it's doable to keep the big dogs.

Looking at 20-21:

Per CapFriendly Blues are currently at 66,352,499 for 20-21 (this is with Bouwmeester gone) with projected space of 15,147,501. That projected space is under the current cap. It's probably going to be 84, based on what's being said now, so it jumps to 18. That might be enough to sign both Schenn and Petro, but then there is nothing left for the RFAs. Buying out Steen might create enough for the RFAs depending on how much Dunn and Fabbri command. Buying out Steen and trading Bozak would definitely create enough space. So it is possible to keep most of the band together while moving the oldest players.


The 4 RFAs are Dunn, Fabbri, Blais, and MacEachern. Granted, the only one of them I see getting a significant raise is Dunn, unless Fabbri finally plays up to his potential.

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Sun Sep 29, 2019 2:37 pm

Faulkenkirk is -100 for his career. And then we sign him to a massive extension?

Put down the crack pipe, Army.

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