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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby cprice12 » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:31 pm

We'll make a move, but it will be a minor one. More of the low-cost, low-risk, high-reward type guys.

IF, we do make a big move and it costs us a lot...we better damn well finish ahead of Chicago. Then the move will have been worth it. 8)
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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby BoxCar » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:14 pm

After that Brewers series I think it is even MORE obvious that acquiring some relief pitching is necessary and another bat would be nice. 3 runs is enough to win games, but not all of them and none with this pen. I think if they are serious about contending they will have to at the very least get 1 reliever. The bat is less important and, IMO, should only be had if the price is really right. We're like 28/52 chances or something like that in leads in the 8th (granted, some of those were blown and we then won and we have the most 1-run wins in the league).

If they don't make a move it's a sign that they just hope Wainwright and Carp come back strong and whoever gets moved to the bullpen pitches well enough to be a consistent reliever. They have been tossing around rumors of Wainwright going to the pen as well.

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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby theohall » Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:42 pm

BoxCar wrote:3 runs is enough to win games, but not all of them and none with this pen.


Teams which only scored 3 runs yesterday went 5-18. 3 runs is not enough to win in baseball today.

St Louis is 6-36 when they've scored 3 runs or less this season (8 losses alone to the Brewers whom the Cards have struggled against offensively more than anyone else in the NL. Only the Royals have had more success holding down the Cards O). This bears out across baseball today. Teams which score 3 runs or less have around a .170 win% no matter how good or bad their bullpen.

You've got to have offense - this is especially true with a weak bullpen - and 3 runs is weak offense in today's game.
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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby cprice12 » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:10 pm

theohall wrote:
BoxCar wrote:3 runs is enough to win games, but not all of them and none with this pen.


Teams which only scored 3 runs yesterday went 5-18. 3 runs is not enough to win in baseball today.

St Louis is 6-36 when they've scored 3 runs or less this season (8 losses alone to the Brewers whom the Cards have struggled against offensively more than anyone else in the NL. Only the Royals have had more success holding down the Cards O). This bears out across baseball today. Teams which score 3 runs or less have around a .170 win% no matter how good or bad their bullpen.

You've got to have offense - this is especially true with a weak bullpen - and 3 runs is weak offense in today's game.


Three runs is generally not quite enough to win.
However...when two good teams are playing each other and both are making a run at the division leader, games can be and often are relatively low scoring. Good teams usually have good pitching, and good pitching usually beats good hitting....which means low scoring games. In those cases, three runs can be enough to win. And the bullpen is quite often the difference in the game...as was the case in three of the four games vs. the Brewers. And the one game where we didn't have a lead late, the Brewers only scored three runs, and won the game.
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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby theohall » Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:32 pm

cprice12 wrote:
theohall wrote:
BoxCar wrote:3 runs is enough to win games, but not all of them and none with this pen.


Teams which only scored 3 runs yesterday went 5-18. 3 runs is not enough to win in baseball today.

St Louis is 6-36 when they've scored 3 runs or less this season (8 losses alone to the Brewers whom the Cards have struggled against offensively more than anyone else in the NL. Only the Royals have had more success holding down the Cards O). This bears out across baseball today. Teams which score 3 runs or less have around a .170 win% no matter how good or bad their bullpen.

You've got to have offense - this is especially true with a weak bullpen - and 3 runs is weak offense in today's game.


Three runs is generally not quite enough to win.
However...when two good teams are playing each other and both are making a run at the division leader, games can be and often are relatively low scoring. Good teams usually have good pitching, and good pitching usually beats good hitting....which means low scoring games. In those cases, three runs can be enough to win. And the bullpen is quite often the difference in the game...as was the case in three of the four games vs. the Brewers. And the one game where we didn't have a lead late, the Brewers only scored three runs, and won the game.


However, everyone knows the Cardinals have a weak bullpen and thus won't win if they don't score more than 3 runs in most cases. This isn't an either/or situation. It's both weak offense and a crappy bullpen combined.
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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby cprice12 » Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:18 am

theohall wrote:
cprice12 wrote:
theohall wrote:
BoxCar wrote:3 runs is enough to win games, but not all of them and none with this pen.


Teams which only scored 3 runs yesterday went 5-18. 3 runs is not enough to win in baseball today.

St Louis is 6-36 when they've scored 3 runs or less this season (8 losses alone to the Brewers whom the Cards have struggled against offensively more than anyone else in the NL. Only the Royals have had more success holding down the Cards O). This bears out across baseball today. Teams which score 3 runs or less have around a .170 win% no matter how good or bad their bullpen.

You've got to have offense - this is especially true with a weak bullpen - and 3 runs is weak offense in today's game.


Three runs is generally not quite enough to win.
However...when two good teams are playing each other and both are making a run at the division leader, games can be and often are relatively low scoring. Good teams usually have good pitching, and good pitching usually beats good hitting....which means low scoring games. In those cases, three runs can be enough to win. And the bullpen is quite often the difference in the game...as was the case in three of the four games vs. the Brewers. And the one game where we didn't have a lead late, the Brewers only scored three runs, and won the game.


However, everyone knows the Cardinals have a weak bullpen and thus won't win if they don't score more than 3 runs in most cases. This isn't an either/or situation. It's both weak offense and a crappy bullpen combined.

If we only make one move, I hope it's for a closer.
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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby theohall » Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:51 am

It's too doggone bad the Rockies are suddenly in the hunt in their division. All that's gonna do is drive up the price for Fuentes who, IMO, would be the best possible addition.

I'm afraid Mo is just going to wait out the return of Wainwright and they are going to use him in the pen instead of as a starter. Not what I'd prefer to see at all, but that looks like what's going to happen.

Joe Strauss's article on STLToday covered all this stuff perfectly.
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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby OS » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:10 am

Onley said on 1380 this morning that the Rockies aren't going to move Fuentes now and apparently the Orioles want a major league ready young shortstop in a trade for Sherril (which the Cards dont have).
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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby theohall » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:10 am

OS wrote:Onley said on 1380 this morning that the Rockies aren't going to move Fuentes now and apparently the Orioles want a major league ready young shortstop in a trade for Sherril (which the Cards dont have).


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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby richtedm » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:38 pm

I know it happens every year, but Manny Ramirez is once again talking about how he wants out of Boston. He is in the last year of an 8 year deal with two consecutive options at $20 million. He is 36. Assuming (which I don't actually believe) that he gets traded this year... anybody want him in St. Louis?
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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby stlmark » Mon Jul 28, 2008 6:14 pm

richtedm wrote:I know it happens every year, but Manny Ramirez is once again talking about how he wants out of Boston. He is in the last year of an 8 year deal with two consecutive options at $20 million. He is 36. Assuming (which I don't actually believe) that he gets traded this year... anybody want him in St. Louis?


I'd take him for the rest of the year, then decline that option after the year.
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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby dmiles2186 » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:28 pm

Ron Mahay, people. That's who we need to get instead of Fuentes.

Mahay: 54.7 IP, 42 K, 21 BB, 11 ER, 1.81 ERA
Fuentes: 40.0 IP, 43 K, 11 BB, 14 ER, 3.15 ERA

Mahay would be cheaper and he doesn't let runs score. I say do it, if at all possible.
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Re: Trade Deadline approaching

Postby stlmark » Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:02 pm

dmiles2186 wrote:Ron Mahay, people. That's who we need to get instead of Fuentes.

Mahay: 54.7 IP, 42 K, 21 BB, 11 ER, 1.81 ERA
Fuentes: 40.0 IP, 43 K, 11 BB, 14 ER, 3.15 ERA

Mahay would be cheaper and he doesn't let runs score. I say do it, if at all possible.


Wow, nice stats! Get him, but if he's cheap, then the Royals have no reason to deal him. Then again we are speaking of the Royals.
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