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After a year of design and testing, everything fell apart in one day in production. I'm not at fault, but I have to clean it up. Damn. There goes all of my free time for the next week or so.
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Note to any cats who may be reading this: If you ever decide to jump up on your owner's bed via her leg and feel yourself losing grip, do her a favor and don't franking dig in for traction, OK?
And note to owners: Keep the big franking bandaids on hand. At all times. Like the size you might use to cover an appendectomy scar with. Grrrrr. I look like I was attacked by a knife-wielding midget.
And note to owners: Keep the big franking bandaids on hand. At all times. Like the size you might use to cover an appendectomy scar with. Grrrrr. I look like I was attacked by a knife-wielding midget.
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Man, it's like I'm psychic or something. And it's starting to rain, so I may never cut my swamp/yard again.ksbluesfan wrote:After a year of design and testing, everything fell apart in one day in production. I'm not at fault, but I have to clean it up. Damn. There goes all of my free time for the next week or so.
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I didn't do it. I swear. I bet it was stlbluz.Blueline29 wrote:Note to any cats who may be reading this: If you ever decide to jump up on your owner's bed via her leg and feel yourself losing grip, do her a favor and don't franking dig in for traction, OK?
And note to owners: Keep the big franking bandaids on hand. At all times. Like the size you might use to cover an appendectomy scar with. Grrrrr. I look like I was attacked by a knife-wielding midget.
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Well, we're building in Edwardsville (Madison County)...so maybe the codes are different.Prngr44 wrote:What sucks about that is that new building code (at least in St. Clair) requires you to be 100% complete before they grant you an occupancy permit. An example: I had planned on buying my interior doors over time and just hanging them once I was in... they're saying I can't do that. I'll probably be calling them this coming week; I'll let you know what I find out.cprice12 wrote:And I was considering just having him build it up to the point where we could move in...and then finish the rest myself. It all depends on what the estimate is.
But that's messed up. Who the (Frank) cares if you don't have interior doors up when you move in?
And we got our estimate back from one of the contractors...and it was a bit high. So we'll be cutting costs a bit here and there.
For some reason, our plans had our roof at a 10-12 pitch....which is pretty steep...and more expensive. And the fireplace was also drawn up as a masonry fireplace, which we were told is hardly done anymore because of the cost.
Reducing the pitch of the roof and making the fireplace metal instead of masonry will save us almost $10k right there.
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Yeah, we went with a prefab fireplace instead of masonry. One of our cost savers was doing 3/4 brick instead of all brick. You can save a few k if you don't have them plaster your garage, just firetape the common walls. I'll try to remember if we did another other obvious ones.
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If you need to buy appliances, or flooring... check in MO to avoid paying sales tax. My flooring is getting installed now so if they do a decent job I'll pass their contact info on if you want to check them out.
My current bitch involves a builder who won't fix a leaky part of the house which will prevent the flooring from being 100% installed.
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You may have already done this, but becareful with changing the roof pitch to save money.cprice12 wrote:Well, we're building in Edwardsville (Madison County)...so maybe the codes are different.Prngr44 wrote:What sucks about that is that new building code (at least in St. Clair) requires you to be 100% complete before they grant you an occupancy permit. An example: I had planned on buying my interior doors over time and just hanging them once I was in... they're saying I can't do that. I'll probably be calling them this coming week; I'll let you know what I find out.cprice12 wrote:And I was considering just having him build it up to the point where we could move in...and then finish the rest myself. It all depends on what the estimate is.
But that's messed up. Who the (Frank) cares if you don't have interior doors up when you move in?
And we got our estimate back from one of the contractors...and it was a bit high. So we'll be cutting costs a bit here and there.
For some reason, our plans had our roof at a 10-12 pitch....which is pretty steep...and more expensive. And the fireplace was also drawn up as a masonry fireplace, which we were told is hardly done anymore because of the cost.
Reducing the pitch of the roof and making the fireplace metal instead of masonry will save us almost $10k right there.
Same thing with our roof pitch, contractor came back and said if we change the pitch from 11/12 down to 8/12 we could save about $12,000 (less material, less labor). That's a huge savings, BUT - a lot of house plans now are drawn up with a specific roof pitch in mind, and if you change that, you could be changing the look of the house drastically, to something that may not look right, or even stupid.
Just a suggestion, but before you actually change the roof, have the elevation plans; front, back, and both sides, redrawn to show the change in pitch, it may effect your decision.
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Steeper roofs need to be replaced less frequently too.
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What if the shingles are made of stretched Redwing fans' skin???ksbluesfan wrote:Steeper roofs need to be replaced less frequently too.
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That would make a cool theme house.. Every material made out of the corpse of Red Wings fans. I'd pay top dollar for that.
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Can you imagine the stench? Dead Red Wings fans probably smell even worse than the living ones.Prngr44 wrote:What if the shingles are made of stretched Redwing fans' skin???ksbluesfan wrote:Steeper roofs need to be replaced less frequently too.
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LOL!! I can't believe I just saw this.OS wrote:I didn't do it. I swear. I bet it was stlbluz.Blueline29 wrote:Note to any cats who may be reading this: If you ever decide to jump up on your owner's bed via her leg and feel yourself losing grip, do her a favor and don't franking dig in for traction, OK?
And note to owners: Keep the big franking bandaids on hand. At all times. Like the size you might use to cover an appendectomy scar with. Grrrrr. I look like I was attacked by a knife-wielding midget.
And for anyone who may be concerned, it actually now looks like I'm shootin' for a Bride of Frankenstein motif. Oh yeah, it's hot.
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Well, if I would ever get sent .pdf versions of my plans, I'd post them so you could see them. I was supposed to get those sent to me weeks ago.Steve Levy Sucks wrote:You may have already done this, but becareful with changing the roof pitch to save money.cprice12 wrote:Well, we're building in Edwardsville (Madison County)...so maybe the codes are different.Prngr44 wrote:What sucks about that is that new building code (at least in St. Clair) requires you to be 100% complete before they grant you an occupancy permit. An example: I had planned on buying my interior doors over time and just hanging them once I was in... they're saying I can't do that. I'll probably be calling them this coming week; I'll let you know what I find out.cprice12 wrote:And I was considering just having him build it up to the point where we could move in...and then finish the rest myself. It all depends on what the estimate is.
But that's messed up. Who the (Frank) cares if you don't have interior doors up when you move in?
And we got our estimate back from one of the contractors...and it was a bit high. So we'll be cutting costs a bit here and there.
For some reason, our plans had our roof at a 10-12 pitch....which is pretty steep...and more expensive. And the fireplace was also drawn up as a masonry fireplace, which we were told is hardly done anymore because of the cost.
Reducing the pitch of the roof and making the fireplace metal instead of masonry will save us almost $10k right there.
Same thing with our roof pitch, contractor came back and said if we change the pitch from 11/12 down to 8/12 we could save about $12,000 (less material, less labor). That's a huge savings, BUT - a lot of house plans now are drawn up with a specific roof pitch in mind, and if you change that, you could be changing the look of the house drastically, to something that may not look right, or even stupid.
Just a suggestion, but before you actually change the roof, have the elevation plans; front, back, and both sides, redrawn to show the change in pitch, it may effect your decision.
And that's a good idea about having the elevations redrawn with the newly suggested pitch.
One of the reasons a new pitch was suggested, was because the great room in the front of the house is octagon shaped and the ceiling extends all of the way up to the roof, so where the roof for the great room connects with the rest of the roof, it's all goofy and complicated because of the octagon shape. So the trusses are not only at a steeper pitch, but also has to be custom made...which makes them even more expensive.
And I think since the cone shaped roof of the great room is relatively steep and tall, the rest of the roof is steep and tall to match.
Once I hear back from the contractor on the newly suggested pitch of the roof, I'll go back to my architect and see what he says.
However...our house will be up on a hill of sorts and sits on five acres, and the road driving up to the house is slightly lower. So the roof is not as prominent as it would be in a standard subdivision, PLUS, it wouldn't have houses all around it to easily compare roof pitch to roof pitch.
We'll see.
Thanks for the input.
edit: on the other hand, a lower pitch will allow me to go on the roof if need be. I wouldn't be up on the roof with a 10-12 pitch. And I'm not worried about the roof not lasting quite as long at a lower pitch.
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Just don't do something you're going to regret later, because you can't exactly change it. I'm guessing that you're building this house with the intent of being there for the rest of your life. If that's the case, build the way you want, even if it costs an extra $10K.
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I agree.OS wrote:Just don't do something you're going to regret later, because you can't exactly change it. I'm guessing that you're building this house with the intent of being there for the rest of your life. If that's the case, build the way you want, even if it costs an extra $10K.
Just be careful with picking and choosing your cost savings beforehand because you'll undoubtedly add 10-15% in upgrades, changes, overruns, etc. before it's all said and done. An example would be my wife wanting a copper rooftop on the front porch. We priced those out and they're looking to come in around 4k just for the damn topper plus 1k for the rest of the porch. If I went with a regular shingled roof, add about 100 to the 1k. A rooftop for a porch is a lot easier (and cheaper) to replace than the trusses in your living room.
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Where our 15 acres is located, the only option is propane. To get a conventional HVAC system in was going to be around $11,000, instead we decided to go with geothermal. It cost another $14,000 up front, but it provides all of our heat, all of our AC and 90% of our hot water and only jacks the cost of electrical up by around $40 a month. The system will pay for itself in 4 years and i'll never have to pay the outrageous prices of propane.
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++ to the geothermal!Steve Levy Sucks wrote:Where our 15 acres is located, the only option is propane. To get a conventional HVAC system in was going to be around $11,000, instead we decided to go with geothermal. It cost another $14,000 up front, but it provides all of our heat, all of our AC and 90% of our hot water and only jacks the cost of electrical up by around $40 a month. The system will pay for itself in 4 years and i'll never have to pay the outrageous prices of propane.
My unit finally got charged over the weekend so I really have no clue what the operational costs involved will be like. I'm not sure when you installed yours but ours was about 9k more than conventional and since our city supplies its own electric (F you Ameren!) our break even point was about 8 years since our price per Kwh was much lower.
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We've been on again and off again with geothermal.Steve Levy Sucks wrote:Where our 15 acres is located, the only option is propane. To get a conventional HVAC system in was going to be around $11,000, instead we decided to go with geothermal. It cost another $14,000 up front, but it provides all of our heat, all of our AC and 90% of our hot water and only jacks the cost of electrical up by around $40 a month. The system will pay for itself in 4 years and i'll never have to pay the outrageous prices of propane.
We really, really, really want it. And we may end up getting it if we can get a quote for around 14k or so.
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