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Postby cprice12 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:23 am

In Pine Lawn … It's pull up or pay up
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By Denise Hollinshed
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
02/14/2008

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PINE LAWN — Police Chief Rickey Collins says the day of reckoning is coming soon for those who violate Pine Lawn's ban on sagging pants.

So far, no one has been ticketed for violating the ordinance, which was enacted in November. City officials wanted a grace period in which officers could explain the ban to youths. And, Collins noted, many of the violations are hidden by coats in cold weather.

That grace period will be ending as it warms up.

"This summer it will be fully in force by the officers," Collins said. "We are not going to have a sagging pants task force, but we are going to be vigilant on enforcing it."

Collins said his 19 full-time officers have explained what was behind the ordinance, including how saggy pants could hurt someone's chances of getting a job.

Collins, seated at his desk sporting a sharply creased gray Stetson and a crisp striped shirt and tie, said he snapped a picture of one youth's lowered pants from behind, then showed it to him.

"I said, 'Now don't he look stupid,'" Collins said. The boy, laughing, replied, "Yeah," Collins said.

Mayor Sylvester Caldwell said he thinks the ordinance is having an impact even before its enforcement.

"Right now, I can say they are pulling them up in Pine Lawn," Caldwell said.

He said the citizens of Pine Lawn like the ordinance, and, "Whatever makes them happy makes me happy."

But a reporter driving around Pine Lawn recently saw a lot of evidence to contradict Caldwell.

Several youths passed in front of police cars with their pants sagging. For many, their underwear or skin was not exposed, so technically they were not violating the ordinance.

But Calvin Hayes, 20, of Pine Lawn, was definitely in violation as he rocked down Jennings Station Road, his black sagging jeans with a bottle of water weighing down one pocket and a chain dangling from the other. His underwear was clearly visible.

Hayes was aware of the ordinance but unconcerned about it.

"Until the law stops me, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing," Hayes said. "It's not going to cause me to change the way I dress."

John Woods, 19, of St. Louis, was wearing his pants so low that he was wobbling as he walked into a BP service station to pay for gasoline.

He, too, was aware of the law.

"I think it's crazy," said Woods, who was visiting his mother in Pine Lawn. "I don't see why people can't wear their clothes how they want to wear them. I spend my money on the clothes so I should be able to wear them how I want to wear them. That's the way I feel."

He called the $100 fine out of line.

"I think they feel like it's gang affiliation, but it's not," he said.

Another apparent violator, Austin Johnson, 20, of Pine Lawn, was interviewed as he and two companions entered a grocery. He said the police should focus on serious crime.

"There's drug dealing and fighting here, and you are stopping people for sagging, and you got people out here shooting each other," Johnson said. "That's just a waste of time."

FAMILY VALUES

The ordinance calls for fines of up to $100 for those 17 and older who wear pants below the waist that expose underwear or skin. That includes girls whose low-rise jeans sit too low. Parents of those 16 and under face up to a $500 fine or 90 days in jail if they knowingly allow their children to wear pants in such a manner.

Pine Lawn drew national attention when it enacted the ban. Officials said then that a big reason for it was that saggy pants gave potential developers a bad impression of the city. Caldwell said he's also interested in restoring some family values.

"When I was coming up as a shorty here in Pine Lawn back in the '60s, my grandmother always told me, 'Boy, you better pull those britches up or I'm going to get that switch on you.' I was taught like that. I just think you got kids raising kids now. Where are the values?"

He has a supporter in Lavera Fowler, 56, a grandmother of five and Pine Lawn resident for 28 years. Her husband, Charles E. James, was an undercover police officer in Pine Lawn when he was killed in a drug raid in 1983. Fowler described the ordinance as "very appropriate."

"You talk about indecency and you talk about rape and indecent exposure, and this is a prime example," she said. "Even nowadays, some of the younger girls are sagging, which I think is very indecent."

Brodis Hall, 57, of Jennings, applauded the law and said he has seen young mothers with their toddlers in sagging jeans pinned to diapers.

"They are too small for you to make them sag like that," Hall said. "I just laughed, and then I thought about how pitiful it was. It is funny until you think about what's going on. They think it's cute."

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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby SIU LAW » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:52 am

Umm...yeah.

Okay.
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby BF44 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:24 am

Good luck getting a plumber to come to Pine Lawn now......
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby Ruutu15 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:39 pm

good lord...does there have to be a law or ordinance for EVERYTHING now?!
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby cprice12 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:53 pm

I think it's stupid to have an ordinance for this type of thing.
However...I also think having your ass literally hanging out of your jeans, and having to hold up your jeans when you walk just so they don't end up around your ankles, is one of the dumbest fashion statements you can make.
Just my opinion of course.
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby Ruutu15 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:00 pm

cprice12 wrote:I think it's stupid to have an ordinance for this type of thing.
However...I also think having your ass literally hanging out of your jeans, and having to hold up your jeans when you walk just so they don't end up around your ankles, is one of the dumbest fashion statements you can make.
Just my opinion of course.


I agree with you 100%, but to me this is no different than having someone say "It's against the law to not button the top button of your shirt." or "All khakis must be pleated." You can't really tell people how to wear their clothes.
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby barnburner » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:05 pm

Personally, I'm for having baggy pants wearers, and wearers of baseball caps on sideways and backwards, being shot on sight.
But then, admittedly, I'm an old senile bastard.
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby barnburner » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:06 pm

Ruutu15 wrote:
cprice12 wrote:I think it's stupid to have an ordinance for this type of thing.
However...I also think having your ass literally hanging out of your jeans, and having to hold up your jeans when you walk just so they don't end up around your ankles, is one of the dumbest fashion statements you can make.
Just my opinion of course.


I agree with you 100%, but to me this is no different than having someone say "It's against the law to not button the top button of your shirt." or "All khakis must be pleated." You can't really tell people how to wear their clothes.


Sadly, that's true....
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby kodos » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:30 pm

This is a violation of our 1st and 14th Amendment rights. How can this be a law? Seriously?
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Postby Mellanby_equals_grit » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:42 pm

kodos wrote:This is a violation of our 1st and 14th Amendment rights. How can this be a law? Seriously?


Anything can be a law til somebody gets charged and fights it. Do you think Jamal Homeboy is gonna be going to the supreme court anytime soon?
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Postby kodos » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:50 pm

This has been fought many times... but usually in response to a school dress code. It actually did go to the Supreme Court. Those black armband kids in the 60s. They won the case.

I can understand a school having dress codes in place, but enforcing something like this for the general public is beyond belief.

Next thing you know we'll be stoning women for not wearing their burkas properly.

This makes me want to put on some saggy pants and sue their asses.
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Postby Ruutu15 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:52 pm

Mellanby_equals_grit wrote:Do you think Jamal Homeboy is gonna be going to the supreme court anytime soon?


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Eddie Murphy: Then Ed said, "I ain't signing a *motherfuckin'* thing! (Frank) you and your ugly bitch!" I said, "Yo, Ed, I'll bust your ass for sayin' shit like that." He say, "Wh-Where, motherfucker, I'll kill-" And he ran over to my woman and slapped her in the face, Your Honor! Then he slapped me and my man in the face, all three of us like the Three Stooges, Your Honor! 12 million! 12!
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Postby Mellanby_equals_grit » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:53 pm

kodos wrote:This has been fought many times... but usually in response to a school dress code. It actually did go to the Supreme Court. Those black armband kids in the 60s. They won the case.

I can understand a school having dress codes in place, but enforcing something like this for the general public is beyond belief.

Next thing you know we'll be stoning women for not wearing their burkas properly.

This makes me want to put on some saggy pants and sue their asses.



That's probably a pretty good prediction of how this law will turn out actually. That area of town people will run out in front of cars just to sue you, don't think they'd flinch at sagging their pants to pick up a check which they were doing already anyways.
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby goon attack » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:34 pm

I don't agree with it but then again, screwing with these smart aleck hip hop wannabes would definitely have to rate high on the list of duties if I were a Pine Lawn police officer. Somebody smarts off, and it's "Sorry, bro, I guess I'll just have to write you a ticket for your pants while we're here."
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby glen a richter » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:37 pm

I want freedom from having to see some asshat kid walking up the stairs in front of me and his freakin' pants fall down because they were only up to his goddam knees. I hear at least a half dozen times a day someone telling a kid to pull up his pants because they don't want to see his underwear. I respond by saying at least they're wearing underwear.
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby goon attack » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:41 pm

If you had a principal with a pair of balls, you wouldn't have to deal with that, glen.

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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby tsblue » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:29 pm

glen a richter wrote:I want freedom from having to see some asshat kid walking up the stairs in front of me and his freakin' pants fall down because they were only up to his goddam knees. I hear at least a half dozen times a day someone telling a kid to pull up his pants because they don't want to see his underwear. I respond by saying at least they're wearing underwear.


So the standard for laws is what you want or don't want to see? I am offended by Bluenotes...I think anyone wearing a bluenote hat or sweater is offending me and should be ticketed...see?
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby Ruutu15 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:43 pm

goon attack wrote:I don't agree with it but then again, screwing with these smart aleck hip hop wannabes would definitely have to rate high on the list of duties if I were a Pine Lawn police officer. Somebody smarts off, and it's "Sorry, bro, I guess I'll just have to write you a ticket for your pants while we're here."


I love talking shit to those kids anyway, especially the white ones. The ONLY time I've ever even gotten a response was when one guy proudly told me "I'm blacker than you'll eva be". I'm white. Whatever you do, do it proudly, I suppose. :lol:
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby glen a richter » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:40 pm

goon attack wrote:If you had a principal with a pair of balls, you wouldn't have to deal with that, glen.

Am I wrong?


My principal is a female, hence no balls, you're correct.

We also have 2700 kids, a handful of deans and the principal can't be in all places at once. It's the deans that are f ups, not the principal. I think she's pretty damned good as far as principals go.
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Re: Get Fined For Wearing Saggy Pants

Postby SteveO » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:45 pm

I can't see how this doesn't get overturned.
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