Duncan out for year
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:52 pm
I don't like celebrating injury, but this is a bonus for the Cards farm players, since Lil Dunc can't keep them out of the lineup.
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I wish the guy well and all...and I hope he comes back healthy so we can trade him.dmiles2186 wrote:I don't like Duncan as much as the next guy, but I'm sympathetic about his injury. The dude's career could end with the surgery that he has to get for his injury. They've only been performing the surgery for 5 years and this will be the first time its performed on a professional athlete.
It could either help him recover...or it could end his career.
So when will the Cardinals ever see if rookies can play in the bigs. Good games have to be taken with bad games. That's how rookies learn. Yes, Stavinoha and Mather got beat by a quality closer last night. That doesn't change how much Mather has improved since getting regular playing time.OS wrote:Did you not see how atrocious that Nick Stavinoha looked last night? And while we're on the subject of mediocre Cardinals outfielders, I don't get the love affair with Joe Mather. He's Chris Duncan with a different last name. Mather is batting .247 with a god-awful .312 OBP. Duncan was batting .248 with a .346 OBP. By no means do I think that Duncan is a great player, but he'd be more valuable to our bench than either one of these two.
And on "this" Cardinals team, Mather has improved with increased playing time.OS wrote:We were talking about "this" Cardinals team, not the future teams.
I don't care for Stavinoha either...and Mather hasn't been anything great, but to be fair...they haven't played that much (Stavinoha has only had 24 major league at bats and Mather only 86 at bats). Judging them based on relatively few at bats at the very beginning of their careers, is a bit harsh.OS wrote:Did you not see how atrocious that Nick Stavinoha looked last night? And while we're on the subject of mediocre Cardinals outfielders, I don't get the love affair with Joe Mather. He's Chris Duncan with a different last name. Mather is batting .247 with a god-awful .312 OBP. Duncan was batting .248 with a .346 OBP. By no means do I think that Duncan is a great player, but he'd be more valuable to our bench than either one of these two.
Ankiel has taken some bad routes to balls...no doubt.Leedog wrote:How 'bout Duncan circa '06, the last time he was healthy. Would he fit in? People want to bitch ever ytime he has trouble in the outfield. How come Ankiel gets a pass? He is constantly misjudging fly balls and twisting and turning out there. I'd be curious to see how many pro games each has played OF. I doubt Duncan has played many more. Not rippin on Ankiel, just stickin up for Duncan.
You don't think the holes in Duncans swing may have been created, or at least expanded by a potential career ending neck injury? I guess the pitchers finally figured out Larry Walker's weaknesses too.cprice12 wrote:I don't care for Stavinoha either...and Mather hasn't been anything great, but to be fair...they haven't played that much (Stavinoha has only had 24 major league at bats and Mather only 86 at bats). Judging them based on relatively few at bats at the very beginning of their careers, is a bit harsh.OS wrote:Did you not see how atrocious that Nick Stavinoha looked last night? And while we're on the subject of mediocre Cardinals outfielders, I don't get the love affair with Joe Mather. He's Chris Duncan with a different last name. Mather is batting .247 with a god-awful .312 OBP. Duncan was batting .248 with a .346 OBP. By no means do I think that Duncan is a great player, but he'd be more valuable to our bench than either one of these two.
I think Mather could be a good player...he just needs more experience.
Duncan, however, has played in over 300 games, and has gotten progressively worse during his short career. Duncan has huge holes in his swing and hasn't been able to adjust once people figured out how to exploit those holes...plus he is one of the worst outfielders I have ever seen. He's a better fielder than Manny Ramirez...and that may be about it. At least Mather seems to be a decent fielder.
Keeping Duncan on the bench and using him only as a pinch hitter in lefty-righty situations and maybe starting him once a week to rest an outfielder, is ok by me I guess. But Duncan was getting a lot of starts and a lot of at bats...which he shouldn't have been based on how he was playing.
Duncan sucked to finish last season, he sucked in spring training, and he has sucked all of this season.Leedog wrote:You don't think the holes in Duncans swing may have been created, or at least expanded by a potential career ending neck injury? I guess the pitchers finally figured out Larry Walker's weaknesses too.cprice12 wrote:I don't care for Stavinoha either...and Mather hasn't been anything great, but to be fair...they haven't played that much (Stavinoha has only had 24 major league at bats and Mather only 86 at bats). Judging them based on relatively few at bats at the very beginning of their careers, is a bit harsh.OS wrote:Did you not see how atrocious that Nick Stavinoha looked last night? And while we're on the subject of mediocre Cardinals outfielders, I don't get the love affair with Joe Mather. He's Chris Duncan with a different last name. Mather is batting .247 with a god-awful .312 OBP. Duncan was batting .248 with a .346 OBP. By no means do I think that Duncan is a great player, but he'd be more valuable to our bench than either one of these two.
I think Mather could be a good player...he just needs more experience.
Duncan, however, has played in over 300 games, and has gotten progressively worse during his short career. Duncan has huge holes in his swing and hasn't been able to adjust once people figured out how to exploit those holes...plus he is one of the worst outfielders I have ever seen. He's a better fielder than Manny Ramirez...and that may be about it. At least Mather seems to be a decent fielder.
Keeping Duncan on the bench and using him only as a pinch hitter in lefty-righty situations and maybe starting him once a week to rest an outfielder, is ok by me I guess. But Duncan was getting a lot of starts and a lot of at bats...which he shouldn't have been based on how he was playing.
David Justice had the best arm in the outfield of any player over the last 20 years. Not too many people can gun Kenny Lofton from RF in 2009, let alone in 1995 when Justice did it in the WS.cprice12 wrote:
Ankiel...has the best arm I have ever seen in the outfield.