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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby Leedog » Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:37 pm

Mellanby_equals_grit wrote:I think it's silly to compare the Blues trade of Pronger to Edmonton's and Anaheim's trade of him.. Pleau's hands were completely tied when he did it. Laurie openly saying that he had to be off of the books made trading him mandatory. Once that is the case your return is going to be shit about 99 times out of 98. Anaheim probably could have kept Pronger even with the caphit. Because of that Philly had to give up more to entice them into a trade. The situations are not compareable.


That's stupid. A good GM pits one offer against the other like an auction. Kinda like what the Ducks did. shoulda been like, "OK Leafs and Rangers. Edmonton is offering Brewer and 3 minor league D. Can you beat it? I mean, regardless of Lar's situation, the commodity was still Pronger and he still had value around the league.
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby Mellanby_equals_grit » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:53 pm

Leedog wrote:
Mellanby_equals_grit wrote:I think it's silly to compare the Blues trade of Pronger to Edmonton's and Anaheim's trade of him.. Pleau's hands were completely tied when he did it. Laurie openly saying that he had to be off of the books made trading him mandatory. Once that is the case your return is going to be shit about 99 times out of 98. Anaheim probably could have kept Pronger even with the caphit. Because of that Philly had to give up more to entice them into a trade. The situations are not compareable.


That's stupid. A good GM pits one offer against the other like an auction. Kinda like what the Ducks did. shoulda been like, "OK Leafs and Rangers. Edmonton is offering Brewer and 3 minor league D. Can you beat it? I mean, regardless of Lar's situation, the commodity was still Pronger and he still had value around the league.


The Blues had to shed his salary and not take on anything significant back.. That completely strapped Pleau. Do you honestly think if another GM was put in his spot for that trade they would have got back a package like this? Completely different climate and situation. To pretend it's the same player therefore the return should be is ignoring that there are tons of factors at play.
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby strocklen083 » Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:57 pm

Mellanby_equals_grit wrote:The Blues had to shed his salary and not take on anything significant back.. That completely strapped Pleau. Do you honestly think if another GM was put in his spot for that trade they would have got back a package like this? Completely different climate and situation. To pretend it's the same player therefore the return should be is ignoring that there are tons of factors at play.


The only shame was that Larry couldn't at least pull out a Top 10 pick in that year's draft. I guess no one was willing to swap with such a deep talent pool. I honestly don't remember if we got their #1 that year or not. But I think we would have been better suited getting picks and legit prospects over the return we got.

Regardless, it's a moot point now. We're 4 year removed from that moment and odds are he'll sign back here next year. So no sense in pissing and moaning about the past.

EDIT: I honestly believe it's a personal goal of Larry Pleau's to have a hand in brining Chris back next summer before stepping out of the GM role. I think it would make for a good personal and public redemption story for boht him and the franchise. I'm sure he tried like hell on Friday when he came available. But he price was just too much. Glad we didn't overpay!
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby SIU LAW » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:19 pm

Yeah, we didn't get one, but we should have gotten a first rounder in the package for Pronger.
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby STL JA » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:20 pm

SIU LAW wrote:Yeah, we didn't get one, but we should have gotten a first rounder in the package for Pronger.


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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby ProngerBlues44 » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:32 pm

Mellanby_equals_grit wrote:
Leedog wrote:
Mellanby_equals_grit wrote:I think it's silly to compare the Blues trade of Pronger to Edmonton's and Anaheim's trade of him.. Pleau's hands were completely tied when he did it. Laurie openly saying that he had to be off of the books made trading him mandatory. Once that is the case your return is going to be shit about 99 times out of 98. Anaheim probably could have kept Pronger even with the caphit. Because of that Philly had to give up more to entice them into a trade. The situations are not compareable.


That's stupid. A good GM pits one offer against the other like an auction. Kinda like what the Ducks did. shoulda been like, "OK Leafs and Rangers. Edmonton is offering Brewer and 3 minor league D. Can you beat it? I mean, regardless of Lar's situation, the commodity was still Pronger and he still had value around the league.


The Blues had to shed his salary and not take on anything significant back.. That completely strapped Pleau. Do you honestly think if another GM was put in his spot for that trade they would have got back a package like this? Completely different climate and situation. To pretend it's the same player therefore the return should be is ignoring that there are tons of factors at play.


We are all overlooking the real tragedy of this trade. We knew MacInnis was retiring and our defense was falling apart. Of the three high-priced players (Pronger, Weight and Tkachuk) we traded the worst option. Weight and Tkachuk were not worth the money by the time's cap while Pronger was still earning his buck.
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby northwest dave » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:47 pm

I guess Pronger's wife is ok with Philly?

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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby ProngerBlues44 » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:12 pm

northwest dave wrote:I guess Pronger's wife is ok with Philly?


He hasn't signed that extension he is looking for yet...
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby section319 » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:15 pm

I really hope he doesn't resign with Philly.
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby stlbluz » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:38 pm

section319 wrote:I really hope he doesn't resign with Philly.


If he doesn't come here than I'd rather see him in Philly. If they can tame that headcase they've got in net then they'll be interesting for the next few years.
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby WaukeeBlues » Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:46 pm

Pronger announces he would like to have an extension in place before the year starts. I'm getting the feeling he would have wanted this no matter where he got sent...

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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby dmiles2186 » Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:15 pm

WaukeeBlues wrote:Pronger announces he would like to have an extension in place before the year starts. I'm getting the feeling he would have wanted this no matter where he got sent...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=283874


Can't blame the guy. Time for St. Louis to move on.
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby SIU LAW » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:03 pm

Pronger signs seven-year extension

The agent for Chris Pronger told Sportsnet that his client has signed a seven-year contract extension that will likely see the defenceman finish his career in Philadelphia.

The confirmation will come down later Tuesday.

The extension is front-loaded to lower the salary cap hit, and is rumoured to be worth $35 million, or five million per season. The deal also includes a no-movement clause. The Anaheim Ducks traded Pronger and forward Ryan Dingle to the Philadelphia for defenceman Luca Sbisa, forward Joffrey Lupul and two first-round picks and a conditional third-round pick in 2010 or 2011.

Last season with the Ducks he scored 11 goals and added 37 assists in 82 games.


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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby strocklen083 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:13 pm

SIU LAW wrote:
Pronger signs seven-year extension

The agent for Chris Pronger told Sportsnet that his client has signed a seven-year contract extension that will likely see the defenceman finish his career in Philadelphia.

The confirmation will come down later Tuesday.

The extension is front-loaded to lower the salary cap hit, and is rumoured to be worth $35 million, or five million per season. The deal also includes a no-movement clause. The Anaheim Ducks traded Pronger and forward Ryan Dingle to the Philadelphia for defenceman Luca Sbisa, forward Joffrey Lupul and two first-round picks and a conditional third-round pick in 2010 or 2011.

Last season with the Ducks he scored 11 goals and added 37 assists in 82 games.


:cussing:

This is honestly a severe disappointment personally. I was really hoping that we'd be able to make a run at him next off season. It just shocks the hell out of me that he'd sign such a long contract with a team NOT in Canada that he hasn't even suited up for.

I had illusions of him coming back and being a part of this great resurgance of the franchise. I think retiring #44 is totally off the table now...
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby big d note » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:14 pm

:x

I guess his wife likes Philadelphia, huh?
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby WaukeeBlues » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:24 pm

SIU LAW wrote:
Pronger signs seven-year extension

The agent for Chris Pronger told Sportsnet that his client has signed a seven-year contract extension that will likely see the defenceman finish his career in Philadelphia.

The confirmation will come down later Tuesday.

The extension is front-loaded to lower the salary cap hit, and is rumoured to be worth $35 million, or five million per season. The deal also includes a no-movement clause. The Anaheim Ducks traded Pronger and forward Ryan Dingle to the Philadelphia for defenceman Luca Sbisa, forward Joffrey Lupul and two first-round picks and a conditional third-round pick in 2010 or 2011.

Last season with the Ducks he scored 11 goals and added 37 assists in 82 games.


:cussing:


Oh well. So much for that.

I was more than a little disappointed when I heard that the Flyers acquired him but this is how it goes sometimes. I figured he knew he was being dealt and wherever that place was- that's where he'd stay till his career was over. If there is ANY silver lining to this- its that we won't be playing against him very much for the rest of his career :lol:

and oh yea... :cussing:
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby ProngerBlues44 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:50 pm

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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby Sweetred95ta » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:04 pm

Wow. 7 years?! I guess Philly knew what they were doing giving up so much for him. It would've been a kick in the balls if they couldn't sign him to some sort of extension.
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby Leedog » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:26 pm

"Why should we trade for him this year when we can sign him for free next year?", said almost everyone.
The way it says the contract is front loaded makes me think it is like the Detroit contracts. Like 6.5 mil per for the first 5 years and mil each for the final 2. Can the league address this stupid loophole before the CBA is up?
Does this officially mean someone else can wear 44 for the Blues now?
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Re: Pronger Traded To Philly

Postby ProngerBlues44 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:35 pm

Leedog wrote:"Why should we trade for him this year when we can sign him for free next year?", said almost everyone.
The way it says the contract is front loaded makes me think it is like the Detroit contracts. Like 6.5 mil per for the first 5 years and mil each for the final 2. Can the league address this stupid loophole before the CBA is up?
Does this officially mean someone else can wear 44 for the Blues now?


I will hate that player when it happens. Maybe Brewer can change his number :grin:
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