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Please provide examples of Mason’s bad play.
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SIU LAW wrote:I really didn't think it was worth arguing with you on petty comments like this...Battra wrote:You seem to have skipped over why I was dismissive. I see.
...but if you want me to, I would be glad to do so.Battra wrote:I get dismissive because when one uses the common sense tact, it's shows that any conclusion I come to, would be stupid, if it differs from yours.
I have evaluated it, and I see it differently.
What does that mean to you?
There is nothing wrong with having a different opinion, but I also think there comes a time when it is obvious that a person’s opinion is pretty ignorant based on the actual games themselves.
I’m sure if you took a poll, an overwhelmingly majority would find your opinion…excuse the colorfulness…pretty f-ing stupid.
You call me petty? Interesting.
So you so my OPINION is ignorant of what precisely?
Again, I watch the games, I go to games (when I can), and I'm basing this off of what I see and what the results are.
I also don't care what the overwhelming majority says.
The OVERWHELMING majority at Blues games boos Chris Pronger when he touches the puck.
The OVERWHELMING majority at Blues games booed Chris Pronger for having the audacity to be traded for him.
The OVERWHELMING majority would've told you that Marek Schwarz and Jason Bacashihua were going to be our starters.
I'm ok not agreeing with them.
I can go on where the overwhelming majority is wrong if you'd like.
Bottom line:
I don't like how the Blues are losing when Mason plays.
I don't like how Mason appears to be dancing the dance in Nashville that got him traded.
That's my opinion, not a fact, nor would I purport my opinion as such.
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Would you have said the same last year?SIU LAW wrote:Are you really saying that the Blues have played poorly because of the goalie that was or was not in front of them for each particular game?Battra wrote:1-3-1...vs 2-0.
Hmm.
You said the blues play poorly in front of Mason, but they play better in front of Conks.
Right?
Right now you are trying to assign trends based on what is currently coincidence. This is where "common sense" comes in.
Explain to me precisely, how it's coincidence. I don't see it as such, so please show me how it is.
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...and you think Sanford was given a raw deal here and Brewer is an awesome defenseman, right?
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That one, I didn't see.cprice12 wrote:The Blues played a GREAT game vs. the Ducks. They soundly beat them up and down the rink and really limited their good scoring chances.Battra wrote:Conklin, seems to be largely unaffected by this 'shoddy play' of the Blues.
Conklin was good in the game, but the Blues played well in front of him. He didn't have to steal the game for an sloppy Blues team that night.
Are you sure you have been watching these games?
However, I think you missed my point.
SIU Law's claiming that it's not Mason's fault, as the team plays better in front of Conklin than they do Mason.
My point was, Conklin seems to not have the shoddy play of the Blues in front of him...
Why?
(Kind of like last year...the Blues played better in front of Mason than Legace, and like two years before that, the Blues played better in front of Legace than Sanford....the pre-Mason year was Hannu...and let's not talk about Hannu.)
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No. You infer crying.SIU LAW wrote:Also, do I sense a little crying on how Manny was done wrong by the Blues?
Mason didn’t steal the job. Manny was given every opportunity to succeed and to pull his head out of his ass, and he was clearly the victim of his own BS and bad play.
I'm telling you what was said about Legace and Mason last year. This has nothing to do if Manny was done wrong or done right by the Blues Management, only how the team played in front of him and Mason, and Bishop too I guess.
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Please tell me precisely what that has to do with anything?SIU LAW wrote:...and you think Sanford was given a raw deal here and Brewer is an awesome defenseman, right?
Sanford has been gone for two seasons.
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If what I said is true, that illustrates how you view things and hence how meritorious your opinion really is. Meritorious here meaning: "based in reality."Battra wrote:Please tell me precisely what that has to do with anything?SIU LAW wrote:...and you think Sanford was given a raw deal here and Brewer is an awesome defenseman, right?
Sanford has been gone for two seasons.
Nope. There were games the Blues played well and Manny let him some horrible goals.Battra wrote:Would you have said the same last year?
This comes back to actually watching the games and understanding what is happening.Battra wrote:Explain to me precisely, how it's coincidence. I don't see it as such, so please show me how it is.
Outside of the Detroit starts/1st periods, the goalies have consistently played solid for the Blues, but the skaters (you know…the forwards and defensemen) have played very inconsistently and even poorly at times. Because Mason is this team’s starter, he has played the most games, and because he has played the most games, he is subjected to effects of the skaters inconsistencies.
Learning anything yet?
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I see. So by repeating what you've stated several times, which says nothing, about why the Blues are playing better in front of Conks, that makes it coincidence?SIU LAW wrote:Nope. There were games the Blues played well and Manny let him some horrible goals.Battra wrote:Would you have said the same last year?
This comes back to actually watching the games and understanding what is happening.Battra wrote:Explain to me precisely, how it's coincidence. I don't see it as such, so please show me how it is.
Outside of the Detroit starts/1st periods, the goalies have consistently played solid for the Blues, but the skaters (you know…the forwards and defensemen) have played very inconsistently and even poorly at times. Because Mason is this team’s starter, he has played the most games, and because he has played the most games, he is subjected to effects of the skaters inconsistencies.
Learning anything yet?
Let's try again.
The Blues are performing better in front of Conklin.
You purport this is coincidence.
Why?
Explain just that simple thing there.
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I don’t think anymore explanation is necessary or can be done. You are trying to create a trend with very little information to base it on.
I am convinced you are bored and are arguing just to argue.
I am convinced you are bored and are arguing just to argue.
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Ahh...you edited this one.SIU LAW wrote:It what I said was true, that illustrates how view things and hence how meritorious your opinion really is. Meritorious here meaning: "based in reality."Battra wrote:Please tell me precisely what that has to do with anything?SIU LAW wrote:...and you think Sanford was given a raw deal here and Brewer is an awesome defenseman, right?
Sanford has been gone for two seasons.
Also, please go back and hit the posts of mine you skipped if you expect me to respond to yours.
Hmmm...
So...if I think Legace and Sanford got raw deals...that would influence my noticing of soft goals given up by Mason....perhaps I would remember how he was demoted in Nashville after a similar situation there.
I'm sorry, but I don't see your connection.
I think you're bringing up non-sequitur. It seems that many Blues fans have this idea that bringing up Sanford will get me all confused and show how wrong I am. He's always been my favorite Blue, and favorite player, but I never said he was the best at anything.
So if you could stick with discussing Mason's play vs Conklin's play, and by extension why the Blues play better in front of Conklin than Mason, that'd be great.
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Nope. I'm seeing a difference in how the Blues play.SIU LAW wrote:I don’t think anymore explanation is necessary or can be done. You are trying to create a trend with very little information to base it on.
I am convinced you are bored and are arguing just to argue.
I'm seeing the making of the resurgence of a trend from Mason.
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I combined two posts into one and fixed two grammar mistakes. YOU CAUGHT ME!!!!Battra wrote:Ahh...you edited this one.
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???SIU LAW wrote:I combined two posts into one and fixed two grammar mistakes. YOU CAUGHT ME!!!!Battra wrote:Ahh...you edited this one.
My point was you went back and added to it, therefore I pulled that part out and addressed it.
Amazing how the more I disagree with you, the more your vitriol rises.
Why is that I wonder?
(Mid-terms? They're stressing me as well.)
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Once again, please provide examples of Mason’s bad play.Battra wrote:Let's try again.
The Blues are performing better in front of Conklin.
If you are suggesting the Blues play/react differently in front of Mason, there must be a reason why they are doing so.
Can you give examples of the games or goals where Mason has given the team a reason to play differently, and without confidence, in front of him?
Anyone else can feel free to chime in and help you with this.
Anyone?
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Why are you arguing with him? He comes here from the asylum and everyone argues with him, its pointless. I wondered how this thread got to 54 posts, now I see why.
It is 7 games in, how about we give it about 20-25 games before we start freaking out. We aren't going to win many games, especially against teams like the Penguins by scoring only one goal a game, Mason is hardley the problem. Mason will be fine as long as he can handle it better than Legace did.
It is 7 games in, how about we give it about 20-25 games before we start freaking out. We aren't going to win many games, especially against teams like the Penguins by scoring only one goal a game, Mason is hardley the problem. Mason will be fine as long as he can handle it better than Legace did.
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Once again, if you want give and take on this topic, that's fine, but you skipped several of my posts.SIU LAW wrote:Once again, please provide examples of Mason’s bad play.Battra wrote:Let's try again.
The Blues are performing better in front of Conklin.
If you are suggesting the Blues play/react differently in front of Mason, there must be a reason why they are doing so.
Can you give examples of the games or goals where Mason has given the team a reason to play differently, and without confidence, in front of him?
Anyone else can feel free to chime in and help you with this.
Anyone?
That's fair I think.
Tell ya what..we'll skip all the ones you ignored...and go back to the one where you attempted to answer...explaining by saying the blues played poorly.
Why is it a coincidence. Pretend I'm not as smart as you, and explain it. Start from the ground up.
Or, just tell me that it's simply your opinion, that'd be fine...but think you'd have to stop purporting it as fact.
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I responded in the thread.section319 wrote:Why are you arguing with him? He comes here from the asylum and everyone argues with him, its pointless. I wondered how this thread got to 54 posts, now I see why.
It is 7 games in, how about we give it about 20-25 games before we start freaking out. We aren't going to win many games, especially against teams like the Penguins by scoring only one goal a game, Mason is hardley the problem. Mason will be fine as long as he can handle it better than Legace did.
Oh I stopped posted in the Asylum awhile back...waaaay too nutty there.
His play was something I was watching for, due to his demotion in Nashville and the circumstances surrounding this promotion and demotion.
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this.section319 wrote:Why are you arguing with him? He comes here from the asylum and everyone argues with him, its pointless. I wondered how this thread got to 54 posts, now I see why.
It is 7 games in, how about we give it about 20-25 games before we start freaking out. We aren't going to win many games, especially against teams like the Penguins by scoring only one goal a game, Mason is hardley the problem. Mason will be fine as long as he can handle it better than Legace did.
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Battra wrote:Once again, if you want give and take on this topic, that's fine, but you skipped several of my posts.
That's fair I think.
Tell ya what..we'll skip all the ones you ignored...and go back to the one where you attempted to answer...explaining by saying the blues played poorly.
Why is it a coincidence. Pretend I'm not as smart as you, and explain it. Start from the ground up.
Or, just tell me that it's simply your opinion, that'd be fine...but think you'd have to stop purporting it as fact.
No thanks. Not worth my time to attempt to prove something that everyone, excepts you, seems to understand. Also, I just noticed the quoted portions below.
I’m sure you going to crow and declare that I cannot back things up. But I am guessing you will be in the extreme minority with that opinion.
cprice12 wrote:The Blues played a GREAT game vs. the Ducks. They soundly beat them up and down the rink and really limited their good scoring chances.
Conklin was good in the game, but the Blues played well in front of him. He didn't have to steal the game for an sloppy Blues team that night.
This concludes the need to continue this.Battra wrote:That one, I didn't see.