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Re: E4.23425: Blues Scouting Flyers for Trade Possibilities

Postby theohall » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:21 am

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dmiles2186 wrote:Now, I'm not saying this is an equal value trade or that either team would do this, but Shatty for Giroux straight up. Is that a deal you make?


Why would anyone in their right mind trade Shattenkirk?? That makes no sense.


Gretzky was once traded. Twice even. Chris Pronger was once traded for Eric Brewer and some lint. You tell me. Anyone is fair game.

And how long had those mentioned been playing?? They weren't second or third year players and among the league leaders in scoring. Unless you are getting back a proven superstar and multiple picks to replace that current level of scoring and all the future scoring they should provide, you don't trade them.

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Re: E4.23425: Blues Scouting Flyers for Trade Possibilities

Postby ViPeRx007 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:46 am

Maybe I'm in the minority but I sincerely hope the Blues don't make any drastic, desperation type of move just because a few guys have gone down with injuries. I still feel a little bit "meh" about this season anyway, especially after I just realized tonight that it's practically halfway over already. I say you let this play out as is and then reevaluate everything this offseason. Trade Shattenkirk? That's a guy you build around. I'd anchor this ship with Pie AND Shattenkirk and work out from there, but what the heck do I know?
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Re: E4.23425: Blues Scouting Flyers for Trade Possibilities

Postby dmiles2186 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:54 am

theohall wrote:
dmiles2186 wrote:
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dmiles2186 wrote:Now, I'm not saying this is an equal value trade or that either team would do this, but Shatty for Giroux straight up. Is that a deal you make?


Why would anyone in their right mind trade Shattenkirk?? That makes no sense.


Gretzky was once traded. Twice even. Chris Pronger was once traded for Eric Brewer and some lint. You tell me. Anyone is fair game.

And how long had those mentioned been playing?? They weren't second or third year players and among the league leaders in scoring. Unless you are getting back a proven superstar and multiple picks to replace that current level of scoring and all the future scoring they should provide, you don't trade them.

Mike Keenan isn't running the Blues now.


So Claude Giroux isn't a star and doesn't provide scoring? I know he's not on Sidney Crosby's level, but he scored 93 points last season. I don't get why the question is that far fetched. You wouldn't at least consider it if Giroux was the other player involved?
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Re: E4.23425: Blues Scouting Flyers for Trade Possibilities

Postby glen a richter » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:56 am

They'd have to get Giroux and both Schenns for me to consider it.
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Re: E4.23425: Blues Scouting Flyers for Trade Possibilities

Postby theohall » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:41 am

dmiles2186 wrote:
theohall wrote:
dmiles2186 wrote:
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dmiles2186 wrote:Now, I'm not saying this is an equal value trade or that either team would do this, but Shatty for Giroux straight up. Is that a deal you make?


Why would anyone in their right mind trade Shattenkirk?? That makes no sense.


Gretzky was once traded. Twice even. Chris Pronger was once traded for Eric Brewer and some lint. You tell me. Anyone is fair game.

And how long had those mentioned been playing?? They weren't second or third year players and among the league leaders in scoring. Unless you are getting back a proven superstar and multiple picks to replace that current level of scoring and all the future scoring they should provide, you don't trade them.

Mike Keenan isn't running the Blues now.


So Claude Giroux isn't a star and doesn't provide scoring? I know he's not on Sidney Crosby's level, but he scored 93 points last season. I don't get why the question is that far fetched. You wouldn't at least consider it if Giroux was the other player involved?


Giroux has scored 20+ goals twice. Would you replace one of the league's top scoring defenseman with a 20-30 goal a year guy, when that guy has never even scored 30 goals in season?? I would not. 20-30 goal guys are far easier to find than scoring defenseman, and Giroux is a 20-30 goal guy. Heck, the Blues probably have that already in Rattie and could have both Shattenkirk and Rattie in a couple of years as long as Shattie isn't moved.
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Re: E4.23425: Blues Scouting Flyers for Trade Possibilities

Postby dmiles2186 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:05 am

theohall wrote:
dmiles2186 wrote:
theohall wrote:
dmiles2186 wrote:
theohall wrote:
dmiles2186 wrote:Now, I'm not saying this is an equal value trade or that either team would do this, but Shatty for Giroux straight up. Is that a deal you make?


Why would anyone in their right mind trade Shattenkirk?? That makes no sense.


Gretzky was once traded. Twice even. Chris Pronger was once traded for Eric Brewer and some lint. You tell me. Anyone is fair game.

And how long had those mentioned been playing?? They weren't second or third year players and among the league leaders in scoring. Unless you are getting back a proven superstar and multiple picks to replace that current level of scoring and all the future scoring they should provide, you don't trade them.

Mike Keenan isn't running the Blues now.


So Claude Giroux isn't a star and doesn't provide scoring? I know he's not on Sidney Crosby's level, but he scored 93 points last season. I don't get why the question is that far fetched. You wouldn't at least consider it if Giroux was the other player involved?


Giroux has scored 20+ goals twice. Would you replace one of the league's top scoring defenseman with a 20-30 goal a year guy, when that guy has never even scored 30 goals in season?? I would not. 20-30 goal guys are far easier to find than scoring defenseman, and Giroux is a 20-30 goal guy. Heck, the Blues probably have that already in Rattie and could have both Shattenkirk and Rattie in a couple of years as long as Shattie isn't moved.


Fair enough. I'm not saying I just want to give Shattenkirk up, but I'd think about it a bit if Giroux was involved. He's not a 30+ goal scorer, but he's put up 70+ points the last two years. That's something.

But you're right, scoring defensemen are hard to find and we've got two of them. My only thought is whether the Blues will pay them both. If they won't, then a trade is definitely a possibility. That's hard to ignore.
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Re: E4.23425: Blues Scouting Flyers for Trade Possibilities

Postby thedoc » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:42 am

Flyers need to dump salary. If we were to trade it would most likely be Andy Mac. This works for us because Giroux cap hit is 6.5 million the next two years but his salary is only going to be $5 million out of pocket over the next two years. They take Andy don't resign him and dump salary. DaDitka and I were talking about this the other day we might even ask for cash consideration from them since they aren't cash strapped just in cap trouble.
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