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TC · Post by TC » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:36 pm

making a post because my fingers hurt from scrolling the 3/4 mile it takes to get to the bottom of this page. hpefully this will go to page 13...

Misc. Blues · Post by **Misc. Blues** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:37 pm

TC wrote:making a post because my fingers hurt from scrolling the 3/4 mile it takes to get to the bottom of this page. hpefully this will go to page 13...

13...ding!

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:42 pm

A poster that I respect quite a bit asked this question on another board.

Why should they re-sign old guys when there will be 28-year-old forwards available as unrestricted free agents this year?

I can't wait to see all of you jumping off this 'Cup Contender' bandwagon the first time the Blues go on a 3 - 5 game losing streak. How can you seriously say that the 4th to last place team, one that is not really even sniffing the playoffs right now, is a Cup contender. I understand the blue colored glasses, but wow.

OS · Post by OS » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:51 pm

Hollywood wrote:A poster that I respect quite a bit asked this question on another board.

Why should they re-sign old guys when there will be 28-year-old forwards available as unrestricted free agents this year?

I can't wait to see all of you jumping off this 'Cup Contender' bandwagon the first time the Blues go on a 3 - 5 game losing streak. How can you seriously say that the 4th to last place team, one that is not really even sniffing the playoffs right now, is a Cup contender. I understand the blue colored glasses, but wow.

Who has said the Blues were a Cup contender?

bamabluesfan · Post by **bamabluesfan** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:53 pm

Hollywood wrote:A poster that I respect quite a bit asked this question on another board.

Why should they re-sign old guys when there will be 28-year-old forwards available as unrestricted free agents this year?

I can't wait to see all of you jumping off this 'Cup Contender' bandwagon the first time the Blues go on a 3 - 5 game losing streak. How can you seriously say that the 4th to last place team, one that is not really even sniffing the playoffs right now, is a Cup contender. I understand the blue colored glasses, but wow.

There probably needs to be a combination of older guys and 28 year olds. My question would be why should a 28 come here if the organization doesnt seem to be committed to making a go of it? And where will the money come from to sign those 28 year olds? All in all if they can get Tkachuk to sign for 2 or 2.5 next year and Guerin to do the same thing does that keep them from signing a younger forward?

Making the playoffs this year generates money for next year, with the horrid attendence earlier this year they need to pack the house the rest of the year, how do you do that if you trade off half the team for picks (which may never pan out) or prospects that may not be ready for years. One could argue that Colorado built through high draft pics, but remember Quebec lost the team cause they were losing money hand over fist. Pitt still has financial issues, not too long ago Ottowa was in bankruptcy with the NHL paying their salaries.

I think if management thinks they can make some money through the playoffs they will. I think there will be a balance, some guys are gonna get traded, I would tend to think probly Backman or Jackman, and probably a goalie (Cash or Beck-Tseu) maybe Cajanek or Rucinsky. But I dont look for Guerin, Tkachuk or Weight to go. Brewer is probably the best chip we have with the demand for Dmen, but I think they will try to resign him.

YouTube · Post by **cprice12** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:59 pm

Hollywood wrote:A poster that I respect quite a bit asked this question on another board.

Why should they re-sign old guys when there will be 28-year-old forwards available as unrestricted free agents this year?

I can't wait to see all of you jumping off this 'Cup Contender' bandwagon the first time the Blues go on a 3 - 5 game losing streak. How can you seriously say that the 4th to last place team, one that is not really even sniffing the playoffs right now, is a Cup contender. I understand the blue colored glasses, but wow.

I have a couple questions for you.

1) Are the Blues playing like the 4th worst team?

2) IF the Blues happen to get into the playoffs, they will have played some of the best hockey in the NHL over their last 50 games, which is over half of the season. Should that happen, do you think the Blues could do some damage in the playoffs this year?

I'm not saying any of that is going to happen...but I don't want to prevent the possibility of it happening either. If the team goes on a cold streak, then it will make decisions at the deadline easy and we can stop debating what is best.

And for the record, I don't think anyone said the Blues were a cup contender. I think you are the only one who said that, just now.

YouTube · Post by **cprice12** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:01 pm

bamabluesfan wrote:
Hollywood wrote:A poster that I respect quite a bit asked this question on another board.

Why should they re-sign old guys when there will be 28-year-old forwards available as unrestricted free agents this year?

I can't wait to see all of you jumping off this 'Cup Contender' bandwagon the first time the Blues go on a 3 - 5 game losing streak. How can you seriously say that the 4th to last place team, one that is not really even sniffing the playoffs right now, is a Cup contender. I understand the blue colored glasses, but wow.
There probably needs to be a combination of older guys and 28 year olds. My question would be why should a 28 come here if the organization doesnt seem to be committed to making a go of it? And where will the money come from to sign those 28 year olds? All in all if they can get Tkachuk to sign for 2 or 2.5 next year and Guerin to do the same thing does that keep them from signing a younger forward?

Making the playoffs this year generates money for next year, with the horrid attendence earlier this year they need to pack the house the rest of the year, how do you do that if you trade off half the team for picks (which may never pan out) or prospects that may not be ready for years. One could argue that Colorado built through high draft pics, but remember Quebec lost the team cause they were losing money hand over fist. Pitt still has financial issues, not too long ago Ottowa was in bankruptcy with the NHL paying their salaries.

I think if management thinks they can make some money through the playoffs they will. I think there will be a balance, some guys are gonna get traded, I would tend to think probly Backman or Jackman, and probably a goalie (Cash or Beck-Tseu) maybe Cajanek or Rucinsky. But I dont look for Guerin, Tkachuk or Weight to go. Brewer is probably the best chip we have with the demand for Dmen, but I think they will try to resign him.

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(Wow...twice in one thread!!)

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:03 pm

OS wrote:
Hollywood wrote:A poster that I respect quite a bit asked this question on another board.

Why should they re-sign old guys when there will be 28-year-old forwards available as unrestricted free agents this year?

I can't wait to see all of you jumping off this 'Cup Contender' bandwagon the first time the Blues go on a 3 - 5 game losing streak. How can you seriously say that the 4th to last place team, one that is not really even sniffing the playoffs right now, is a Cup contender. I understand the blue colored glasses, but wow.
Who has said the Blues were a Cup contender?

Curt, Boxcar, Misc Blues

YouTube · Post by **cprice12** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:05 pm

Hollywood wrote:
OS wrote:
Hollywood wrote:A poster that I respect quite a bit asked this question on another board.

Why should they re-sign old guys when there will be 28-year-old forwards available as unrestricted free agents this year?

I can't wait to see all of you jumping off this 'Cup Contender' bandwagon the first time the Blues go on a 3 - 5 game losing streak. How can you seriously say that the 4th to last place team, one that is not really even sniffing the playoffs right now, is a Cup contender. I understand the blue colored glasses, but wow.
Who has said the Blues were a Cup contender?
Curt, Boxcar, Misc Blues

No I didn't.

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:09 pm

cprice12 wrote:
Hollywood wrote:A poster that I respect quite a bit asked this question on another board.

Why should they re-sign old guys when there will be 28-year-old forwards available as unrestricted free agents this year?

I can't wait to see all of you jumping off this 'Cup Contender' bandwagon the first time the Blues go on a 3 - 5 game losing streak. How can you seriously say that the 4th to last place team, one that is not really even sniffing the playoffs right now, is a Cup contender. I understand the blue colored glasses, but wow.
I have a couple questions for you.

1) Are the Blues playing like the 4th worst team?

2) IF the Blues happen to get into the playoffs, they will have played some of the best hockey in the NHL over their last 50 games, which is over half of the season. Should that happen, do you think the Blues could do some damage in the playoffs this year?

I'm not saying any of that is going to happen...but I don't want to prevent the possibility of it happening either. If the team goes on a cold streak, then it will make decisions at the deadline easy and we can stop debating what is best.

And for the record, I don't think anyone said the Blues were a cup contender. I think you are the only one who said that, just now.

1 - Does not matter what they are playing like. Look at the standings...they are the 4th worst team. If Philly beats Nashville, are they playing like the worst team in the league? 20 games does not a season make.

2 - What is your definition of damage? Could they win a round? Maybe, but probably not. As the way things stand right now, they would get the 8th seed and play Nashville. They have not been able to win ONE game against Nashville, much less 4 out of 7.

And if you did not say they are a cup contender in question #2, then what did you say? Are you saying they are not cup contenders? Because if you are, that makes your arguement in this thread even more retarded. You are esentially saying "I know they can't win the cup but I don't care. I just want to see them win a few more games this year and who cares about the future"

So which is it Curt? Cup Contenders or just wanna be's that should pass up on a great opportunity to improve their team by trading some pretty valuable chips? Or is it neither and you are just happy with making the playoffs.....here's to another 25 year streak!

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:10 pm

cprice12 wrote:
Hollywood wrote:
OS wrote:
Hollywood wrote:A poster that I respect quite a bit asked this question on another board.

Why should they re-sign old guys when there will be 28-year-old forwards available as unrestricted free agents this year?

I can't wait to see all of you jumping off this 'Cup Contender' bandwagon the first time the Blues go on a 3 - 5 game losing streak. How can you seriously say that the 4th to last place team, one that is not really even sniffing the playoffs right now, is a Cup contender. I understand the blue colored glasses, but wow.
Who has said the Blues were a Cup contender?
Curt, Boxcar, Misc Blues
No I didn't.

Then here is to starting another streak! Cheers!

OS · Post by OS » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:14 pm

It's really sad how delusional you two are. The Blues are playing phenomenal hockey right now and your desire for the Blues to be sellers has completely clouded your vision in pretty much everything that you've said. But, thanks, I needed the laugh.

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:25 pm

OS wrote:It's really sad how delusional you two are. The Blues are playing phenomenal hockey right now and your desire for the Blues to be sellers has completely clouded your vision in pretty much everything that you've said. But, thanks, I needed the laugh.

Translation: I have no comeback to your arguement. So instead I will just pretend that I am laughing. I am happy if they just make the playoffs and I can not pick a direction for this team to go. Come on new streak!

Misc. Blues · Post by **Misc. Blues** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:29 pm

If The Blues make the playoffs...then yes they are Cup contenders...but so are 15 other teams...if they don't make the playoffs then no they ain't contenders...I vote we get in to win...

I was along with everyone else when Murray took over thinking playoffs were totally out of the question...but now after some of the best hockey the Blues have played in the last two years...I'll take my chance with this team in the playoffs...but as I said this team will show it's true colors when we play these next 5 games...it's sink or swim...or shit or get off the pot...I guess we'll see...I can't wait...it's been exciting to watch so far...

ksbluesfan · Post by **ksbluesfan** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:30 pm

I think the Blues need to be frugal. That doesn't neccesarily mean being a buyer or seller. If they can trade a 35-year-old soon-to-be UFA for a 28-year-old soon-to-be-UFA, they should do it. It would be foolish to extend the contracts of guys over 35 because they can be replaced this summer with guys only 28. I have faith in JD. Given a full summer to work on it, he can do better than he did last summer.

Wouldn't it suck to trade away a promising prospect for Gary Roberts only to miss the playoffs? Even if the Blues are a lock for the 4th seed, they shouldn't trade away anybody who could help the team over the next few years.

OS · Post by OS » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:32 pm

Hollywood wrote:
OS wrote:It's really sad how delusional you two are. The Blues are playing phenomenal hockey right now and your desire for the Blues to be sellers has completely clouded your vision in pretty much everything that you've said. But, thanks, I needed the laugh.
Translation: I have no comeback to your arguement. So instead I will just pretend that I am laughing. I am happy if they just make the playoffs and I can not pick a direction for this team to go. Come on new streak!

Wow, that was just lame.

I have been quite clear what direction I want the organization to take. No where have I ever altered my opinion that it would be better for this organization to finish the season strong than to shop everyone. I also have been consistent in my desire to trade Brewer regardless of what direction management takes.

bamabluesfan · Post by **bamabluesfan** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:35 pm

My great grand mother used to talk to herself and if you asked her who she was talking to she would 'Someone with some damned sense'....

Now I know how she felt...

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:43 pm

bamabluesfan wrote: ask her who she was talking to she would 'Someone with some damned sense'....

Now I know how she felt...

I wish I could say that, but BBZ is not around right now.

Hollywood · Post by **Hollywood** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:44 pm

OS wrote:
Hollywood wrote:
OS wrote:It's really sad how delusional you two are. The Blues are playing phenomenal hockey right now and your desire for the Blues to be sellers has completely clouded your vision in pretty much everything that you've said. But, thanks, I needed the laugh.
Translation: I have no comeback to your arguement. So instead I will just pretend that I am laughing. I am happy if they just make the playoffs and I can not pick a direction for this team to go. Come on new streak!
Wow, that was just lame.

I have been quite clear what direction I want the organization to take. No where have I ever altered my opinion that it would be better for this organization to finish the season strong than to shop everyone. I also have been consistent in my desire to trade Brewer regardless of what direction management takes.

Yes, you have made it very clear. Just like Curt has made it very clear....

BRING ON THE STREAK!!!!!!

YouTube · Post by **cprice12** » Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:57 pm

Hollywood wrote:
cprice12 wrote:
Hollywood wrote:A poster that I respect quite a bit asked this question on another board.

Why should they re-sign old guys when there will be 28-year-old forwards available as unrestricted free agents this year?

I can't wait to see all of you jumping off this 'Cup Contender' bandwagon the first time the Blues go on a 3 - 5 game losing streak. How can you seriously say that the 4th to last place team, one that is not really even sniffing the playoffs right now, is a Cup contender. I understand the blue colored glasses, but wow.
I have a couple questions for you.

1) Are the Blues playing like the 4th worst team?

2) IF the Blues happen to get into the playoffs, they will have played some of the best hockey in the NHL over their last 50 games, which is over half of the season. Should that happen, do you think the Blues could do some damage in the playoffs this year?

I'm not saying any of that is going to happen...but I don't want to prevent the possibility of it happening either. If the team goes on a cold streak, then it will make decisions at the deadline easy and we can stop debating what is best.

And for the record, I don't think anyone said the Blues were a cup contender. I think you are the only one who said that, just now.
1 - Does not matter what they are playing like. Look at the standings...they are the 4th worst team. If Philly beats Nashville, are they playing like the worst team in the league? 20 games does not a season make.

But 30 games does make a season?
Then we just disagree. Because to me it does matter how they are playing. And it's not just 20 games, it's 20 games under a new coach with a new system. Big difference.

2 - What is your definition of damage? Could they win a round? Maybe, but probably not. As the way things stand right now, they would get the 8th seed and play Nashville. They have not been able to win ONE game against Nashville, much less 4 out of 7.

Good question. I have no idea.
But the Blues should be playing good hockey should they get in.
People always say that it doesn't matter where you finish, but how you're playing when the playoffs start. And they will have been hot for 50 games.

And if you did not say they are a cup contender in question #2, then what did you say? Are you saying they are not cup contenders? Because if you are, that makes your arguement in this thread even more retarded.

They're not contenders right now. Hell, they're 8 pts. out of the playoffs. You have to be in the playoffs before you can become a contender.

You are esentially saying "I know they can't win the cup but I don't care. I just want to see them win a few more games this year and who cares about the future"

Bah...come on. Give me a little credit here. That's not my attitude at all.

So which is it Curt? Cup Contenders or just wanna be's that should pass up on a great opportunity to improve their team by trading some pretty valuable chips? Or is it neither and you are just happy with making the playoffs.....here's to another 25 year streak!

They aren't a contender until they grab 8th place.
But it doesn't matter where you finish in the top 8. If you have one of the best records in the NHL over the last 50 games of the season, you are a cup contender.

Would you disagree?

Again, should the Blues go on a cold streak or not gain any more ground between now and the deadline, I'd have a different opinion on things. But as long as they keep winning...