cprice12 wrote:I really don't want players on this team that only step up their play during the last year of a contract.
The absolute worst thing that could happen is if management resigns him to a 3+ year contract to reward him for his better than average play this year.
Truth.
You don't resign him.
But if you must, offer him a 1 year deal where he has to pay back half of his salary for the last 4 years of blowing.
I'm glad that you enjoy statistics rather than watch the games.
Like cprice said, he is playing better than in previous years. But he is still slow, still makes bad passes (not as bad as Jackman though), and is still leaving guys wide open in front of the net. He just has Halak to bail him out now.
I will admit though, he did have a very good shot block last game. I just wish he did that stuff more often.
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Eric Brewer's career +/- per year, starting from his rookie season in 1998-99
-14
-11
15
-5
-11
-6
-17
-10
-18
-14
-17
8
This means that every year with the Blues, Brewer has been a minus player, save for this year. I'm not a big +/- guy, but to act like this is the Brewer that has always been there, or should always be there, is inaccurate.
The point is this. Is Eric Brewer having a great year (by his standards)? Yes. But Eric Brewer consistently being pegged as a #1 d-man is not a good thing. If Eric Brewer is the ceiling for top d-man, then it's a significant problem. I'd be okay if Brewer was making less than his $4 mil a year playing on the 2nd or 3rd D pair, but he's not. Like I said before, there's always going to be a large group that hates Brewer and everything he does. I'm not one of them, but I'm not a fan. I just think it would be better for the organization and Brewer himself to move in a different direction. That's all.
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Oh...I don't pay attention to only stats. I just giggle about the stats because people like to point out his plus/minus...like the guy above who suggests a minus player should win the selke....
Of course now for the people who hate Brewer, the stats don't matter...because his are good. Of course they're better because the team is better.
Brewer is what his is...an above average defenseman who's been on BAD teams his whole career.
Oh...I don't pay attention to only stats. I just giggle about the stats because people like to point out his plus/minus...like the guy above who suggests a minus player should win the selke....
Of course now for the people who hate Brewer, the stats don't matter...because his are good. Of course they're better because the team is better.
Brewer is what his is...an above average defenseman who's been on BAD teams his whole career.
I called it in flashchat last night, as soon as Brewer scored a goal, I knew you'd be back around.
Also a bad year for Jay, indeed. The Jay for Selke banner is from St. Louis Game Time. I'm his sponsor, I put it in my signature. Nothing more to it than that.
It's not like I constantly defend Jay like it's my job. Jay scored a goal last night, should we re-sign him for several years too?
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Oh...I don't pay attention to only stats. I just giggle about the stats because people like to point out his plus/minus...like the guy above who suggests a minus player should win the selke....
Of course now for the people who hate Brewer, the stats don't matter...because his are good. Of course they're better because the team is better.
Brewer is what his is...an above average defenseman who's been on BAD teams his whole career.
Where were you when he was falling down at the blueline allowing breakaways against Carolina and making bad passes in our own zone that cost us goals against Detroit?
And let's get one thing straight...at best, Brewer is an average defenseman. There is NOTHING above average about him.
Wanna talk about the game last night? Ok, we can do that.
What about the Kopitar goal? Yes, it was a weird puck bounce that seemed to land right on Kopitar's stick, but Brewer's reaction time was laughable. The puck was already shot, past Conklin and Kopitar already had his hands going up before Brewer even moved his stick to try and stop the shot. Not only was it bad by Brewer to not have Kopitar's stick tied up in front of the net, but he had the reaction time of someone on LSD.
+2... ok, good for him. But without that horrible mishap, Brewer would have had a +3.
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I think the problem with Brewer, as has been mentioned, doesn't really have to do with his play. He's a fine defenceman and can be a contributor on any team.
He's just not a #1 d-man. He doesn't have the talent and can't play the minutes, and I think Davis Payne understands that. This year, even with all of the injuries, Brewer has rarely exceeded 25 minutes of ice time.
Look at his past years and you can tell a big difference.
Games with Brewer's ice time over 25 minutes:
10-11: 2 / 6.6% of the time (22:16 avg for the season)
09-10: 4 / 7%(21:27)
08-09: 14 / 50% (25:07)
07-08: 31 / 40% (24:38)
06-07: 37 / 45% (24:32)
05-06: 11/ 24% (23:28)
*note: Last season Brewer's average TOI was 22:22 with Murray and 18:54 under Payne. Also, his TOI was 20:49 before Polak's injury. Also if you prefer shifts over TOI Brewer regularly had games with shifts in the upper 30s from 05-08, and rarely breaks 30 with Payne.
Anyway, my point is I think that Payne has realized that Brewer is not a #1 d-man talent and has adjusted his playing time accordingly. So I don't think the turn around from Brewer late last year and this year is because it's a contract year, I think it's a combination of him being put in a better position for his skill set and finally being healed from his back injury.
Brewer is still not an all-star caliber defenceman and he's going to make mistakes, but if he's playing 19-20 minutes a game like he was under Payne before the swath of injuries started he's a pretty good #3-4. I would have no problem resigning Brewer to a 2-3 year deal so long as his contract value reflects his on-ice value.
TheoSqua wrote:I think the problem with Brewer, as has been mentioned, doesn't really have to do with his play. He's a fine defenceman and can be a contributor on any team.
He's just not a #1 d-man. He doesn't have the talent and can't play the minutes, and I think Davis Payne understands that. This year, even with all of the injuries, Brewer has rarely exceeded 25 minutes of ice time.
Look at his past years and you can tell a big difference.
Games with Brewer's ice time over 25 minutes:
10-11: 2 / 6.6% of the time (22:16 avg for the season)
09-10: 4 / 7%(21:27)
08-09: 14 / 50% (25:07)
07-08: 31 / 40% (24:38)
06-07: 37 / 45% (24:32)
05-06: 11/ 24% (23:28)
*note: Last season Brewer's average TOI was 22:22 with Murray and 18:54 under Payne. Also, his TOI was 20:49 before Polak's injury. Also if you prefer shifts over TOI Brewer regularly had games with shifts in the upper 30s from 05-08, and rarely breaks 30 with Payne.
Anyway, my point is I think that Payne has realized that Brewer is not a #1 d-man talent and has adjusted his playing time accordingly. So I don't think the turn around from Brewer late last year and this year is because it's a contract year, I think it's a combination of him being put in a better position for his skill set and finally being healed from his back injury.
Brewer is still not an all-star caliber defenceman and he's going to make mistakes, but if he's playing 19-20 minutes a game like he was under Payne before the swath of injuries started he's a pretty good #3-4. I would have no problem resigning Brewer to a 2-3 year deal so long as his contract value reflects his on-ice value.
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I really want to see Eric Brewer shoot more. He doesn't have an amazing shot from the point, no MacInnis or anything, but it's fast enough. And more importantly, it's fairly accurate.
Even Erik Johnson seems to take hard shots that sail off to the side of the net half the time. But If defenses have to account for Brewer skating in towards the back of their zone and hammering a hard shot on goal several times a night like he did last night it's a huge benefit for the team. It forces the defense to either allow those shots or pull someone to Brewer and open up the side boards for players like Sobodka and Boyes. And i'd much rather see Brewer's shots get on goal than see him feed the puck to Boyes only for him to miss the net by eight feet.
TheoSqua wrote:I think the problem with Brewer, as has been mentioned, doesn't really have to do with his play. He's a fine defenceman and can be a contributor on any team.
He's just not a #1 d-man. He doesn't have the talent and can't play the minutes, and I think Davis Payne understands that. This year, even with all of the injuries, Brewer has rarely exceeded 25 minutes of ice time.
Look at his past years and you can tell a big difference.
Games with Brewer's ice time over 25 minutes:
10-11: 2 / 6.6% of the time (22:16 avg for the season)
09-10: 4 / 7%(21:27)
08-09: 14 / 50% (25:07)
07-08: 31 / 40% (24:38)
06-07: 37 / 45% (24:32)
05-06: 11/ 24% (23:28)
*note: Last season Brewer's average TOI was 22:22 with Murray and 18:54 under Payne. Also, his TOI was 20:49 before Polak's injury. Also if you prefer shifts over TOI Brewer regularly had games with shifts in the upper 30s from 05-08, and rarely breaks 30 with Payne.
Anyway, my point is I think that Payne has realized that Brewer is not a #1 d-man talent and has adjusted his playing time accordingly. So I don't think the turn around from Brewer late last year and this year is because it's a contract year, I think it's a combination of him being put in a better position for his skill set and finally being healed from his back injury.
Brewer is still not an all-star caliber defenceman and he's going to make mistakes, but if he's playing 19-20 minutes a game like he was under Payne before the swath of injuries started he's a pretty good #3-4. I would have no problem resigning Brewer to a 2-3 year deal so long as his contract value reflects his on-ice value.
I think the reduced ice time is because of Alex Pietrangelo. The guy is just a better defenseman. And the way things are going with Cole, I doubt he gets sent back even when Polak returns.
Jackman, Johnson, Brewer, Pietrangelo, Cole, Polak, and Colaiacovo. Honestly - Jackman, Brewer or Colaiacovo could rotate sitting each night with those other 4 as regulars.
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theohall wrote:
I think the reduced ice time is because of Alex Pietrangelo. The guy is just a better defenseman. And the way things are going with Cole, I doubt he gets sent back even when Polak returns.
Jackman, Johnson, Brewer, Pietrangelo, Cole, Polak, and Colaiacovo. Honestly - Jackman, Brewer or Colaiacovo could rotate sitting each night with those other 4 as regulars.
Very good point...I think we need Cola to much for his PP play to sit him.
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