theohall wrote:Career playoff stats for the two of the Blues 1st line forwards
Oshie
GP 27 G 4 A 3 Pts7 +/- -10
Backes
GP 26 G 4 A 7 Pts 11 +/- -7
Averaging 1 goal every 6.5+ games??? Not getting it done. That's the equivalent of 12 goals per 82 game season if anyone is counting.
Even if you combine the 8 goals - that's 1 goal per 3 games from the duo. That's the equivalent of 27 goals per 82 game season for the pair, which is absolutely horrible.
If the Blues don't advance, it's time to move on from those who aren't producing and are the supposed core leaders of this team.
Backes averages in the mid 20s for goals each year so that's nothing to sneeze at. You don't want to give up a guy who consistently puts up numbers. Oshie, averages around 18 goals and 50 pts a season but in addition to that he gets you guys another 5-6 points in the standings each year just from him being an automatic goal in the shootout. I don't know what each is making now that cap geek is gone but be careful on who you are ready to ship out of town.
cardsfan04 wrote:I don't support that opinion after game 3 of a 7 game series, but if we lose this series, I'm not opposed to blowing part of our team up. I would't want to do a complete fire sale. But, I'd be ok with a pretty major move to shake things up.
The major move would be Hitchcock getting fired. I see that move being made first and foremost if the Blues don't get out of the first round again. I don't think you blow up the team - god knows it's hard enough just to get to where you're at.
I would be open to the possibility of Hitch being let go. When I said blow up part of the team, that was probably a poor choice of words by me. I would be open to moving somebody (or somebodies) from our core that in years past I wouldn't. Oshie is probably where I would start, but I dunno. I'm not at that point yet. We win tomorrow night and we're back in the driver's seat accomplishing what many set as the goal heading into Minnesota, taking 1 of 2 there.
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cardsfan04 wrote:I don't support that opinion after game 3 of a 7 game series, but if we lose this series, I'm not opposed to blowing part of our team up. I would't want to do a complete fire sale. But, I'd be ok with a pretty major move to shake things up.
The major move would be Hitchcock getting fired. I see that move being made first and foremost if the Blues don't get out of the first round again. I don't think you blow up the team - god knows it's hard enough just to get to where you're at.
I would be open to the possibility of Hitch being let go. When I said blow up part of the team, that was probably a poor choice of words by me. I would be open to moving somebody (or somebodies) from our core that in years past I wouldn't. Oshie is probably where I would start, but I dunno. I'm not at that point yet. We win tomorrow night and we're back in the driver's seat accomplishing what many set as the goal heading into Minnesota, taking 1 of 2 there.
The only way that's happening is if they shoot early and often. The longer Minnesota has to get comfortable, the more we'll be lulled into their game and end up with another 14 shots or whatever miserable shot total it was that game 3 provided. If they don't jump out to a lead in the first five minutes, I'll be highly concerned.
cardsfan04 wrote:I don't support that opinion after game 3 of a 7 game series, but if we lose this series, I'm not opposed to blowing part of our team up. I would't want to do a complete fire sale. But, I'd be ok with a pretty major move to shake things up.
The major move would be Hitchcock getting fired. I see that move being made first and foremost if the Blues don't get out of the first round again. I don't think you blow up the team - god knows it's hard enough just to get to where you're at.
I would be open to the possibility of Hitch being let go. When I said blow up part of the team, that was probably a poor choice of words by me. I would be open to moving somebody (or somebodies) from our core that in years past I wouldn't. Oshie is probably where I would start, but I dunno. I'm not at that point yet. We win tomorrow night and we're back in the driver's seat accomplishing what many set as the goal heading into Minnesota, taking 1 of 2 there.
The only way that's happening is if they shoot early and often. The longer Minnesota has to get comfortable, the more we'll be lulled into their game and end up with another 14 shots or whatever miserable shot total it was that game 3 provided. If they don't jump out to a lead in the first five minutes, I'll be highly concerned.
Yep, true. In the first game, they had zone possession but took their sweet time shooting and finally gave the game away. Game two, they were opportunistic and it was 2-0 before you knew it. The Wild still gave them hell in the 2nd but they held on. There's no way they can glide through 1st and hope for a miracle in the 2nd. Wild has been crazy good in the 2nd and if they go ahead, in the third.
So score in the first or go home gents. And after you score in the first, keep dishing it out.
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cardsfan04 wrote:I don't support that opinion after game 3 of a 7 game series, but if we lose this series, I'm not opposed to blowing part of our team up. I would't want to do a complete fire sale. But, I'd be ok with a pretty major move to shake things up.
The major move would be Hitchcock getting fired. I see that move being made first and foremost if the Blues don't get out of the first round again. I don't think you blow up the team - god knows it's hard enough just to get to where you're at.
I would be open to the possibility of Hitch being let go. When I said blow up part of the team, that was probably a poor choice of words by me. I would be open to moving somebody (or somebodies) from our core that in years past I wouldn't. Oshie is probably where I would start, but I dunno. I'm not at that point yet. We win tomorrow night and we're back in the driver's seat accomplishing what many set as the goal heading into Minnesota, taking 1 of 2 there.
The only way that's happening is if they shoot early and often. The longer Minnesota has to get comfortable, the more we'll be lulled into their game and end up with another 14 shots or whatever miserable shot total it was that game 3 provided. If they don't jump out to a lead in the first five minutes, I'll be highly concerned.
We've gotta play more like we did on Saturday for sure, but it shouldn't surprise people if we do. We've played well all year.
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theohall wrote:Career playoff stats for the two of the Blues 1st line forwards
Oshie
GP 27 G 4 A 3 Pts7 +/- -10
Backes
GP 26 G 4 A 7 Pts 11 +/- -7
Averaging 1 goal every 6.5+ games??? Not getting it done. That's the equivalent of 12 goals per 82 game season if anyone is counting.
Even if you combine the 8 goals - that's 1 goal per 3 games from the duo. That's the equivalent of 27 goals per 82 game season for the pair, which is absolutely horrible.
If the Blues don't advance, it's time to move on from those who aren't producing and are the supposed core leaders of this team.
Backes averages in the mid 20s for goals each year so that's nothing to sneeze at. You don't want to give up a guy who consistently puts up numbers. Oshie, averages around 18 goals and 50 pts a season but in addition to that he gets you guys another 5-6 points in the standings each year just from him being an automatic goal in the shootout. I don't know what each is making now that cap geek is gone but be careful on who you are ready to ship out of town.
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ecbm wrote:Horrible game. Worst Blues game I've watched in a while.
Watch while Hitch scapegoats the youngest player in the squad, Jaskin, who was shorn of minutes in this match in favor of, basically, Ott. Between that and his completely moronic line juggling (I know you think you're clever Ken but from here it looks like you STILL don't know what your best lines are) I'm in full "bring back a cup or don't come back at all" mode with this coach/front office.
Portland Blues wrote:The thing that stuns me (again this year) is how we can kick so much ass during an 82 game season and then as soon as the playoffs start we play like ass. Seriously, how do we go from so good to so horrible in such a short span?
Blues did very well this season in the shootout and against non-playoff teams. That doesn't help them now. And they heavily rely on three regular-season-only players: Backes, Oshie and Steen.
I wouldn't call Steen a regular season player only. He has had some huge goals in past playoffs.
6 goals in 28 games does it for you? I mean, it's not nothing but when you come to rely on a guy...put it this way, Tarasenko has 1 more in 18 fewer games despite being the primary object of MIN's line matchups this time around.
Early exit to me means Hitch walks and either a.) you hire a Bylsma/Babcock and go for it a couple more times with this group or b.) you blow it up and rebuild around 91, 17, 22, 27 & 34. If it gets to that I don't know that I really give two shits which is chosen.
ecbm wrote:Horrible game. Worst Blues game I've watched in a while.
Watch while Hitch scapegoats the youngest player in the squad, Jaskin, who was shorn of minutes in this match in favor of, basically, Ott. Between that and his completely moronic line juggling (I know you think you're clever Ken but from here it looks like you STILL don't know what your best lines are) I'm in full "bring back a cup or don't come back at all" mode with this coach/front office.
Portland Blues wrote:The thing that stuns me (again this year) is how we can kick so much ass during an 82 game season and then as soon as the playoffs start we play like ass. Seriously, how do we go from so good to so horrible in such a short span?
Blues did very well this season in the shootout and against non-playoff teams. That doesn't help them now. And they heavily rely on three regular-season-only players: Backes, Oshie and Steen.
I wouldn't call Steen a regular season player only. He has had some huge goals in past playoffs.
6 goals in 28 games does it for you? I mean, it's not nothing but when you come to rely on a guy...put it this way, Tarasenko has 1 more in 18 fewer games despite being the primary object of MIN's line matchups this time around.
Early exit to me means Hitch walks and either a.) you hire a Bylsma/Babcock and go for it a couple more times with this group or b.) you blow it up and rebuild around 91, 17, 22, 27 & 34. If it gets to that I don't know that I really give two shits which is chosen.
I'm not saying his playoff performance "does it for me", but I wouldn't put him in the same boat with playoff chokers by any means.
2 of his 6 playoff goals are OT winners. That's nothing to sneeze at...and is as many as Toews has.
ecbm wrote:Horrible game. Worst Blues game I've watched in a while.
Watch while Hitch scapegoats the youngest player in the squad, Jaskin, who was shorn of minutes in this match in favor of, basically, Ott. Between that and his completely moronic line juggling (I know you think you're clever Ken but from here it looks like you STILL don't know what your best lines are) I'm in full "bring back a cup or don't come back at all" mode with this coach/front office.
Portland Blues wrote:The thing that stuns me (again this year) is how we can kick so much ass during an 82 game season and then as soon as the playoffs start we play like ass. Seriously, how do we go from so good to so horrible in such a short span?
Blues did very well this season in the shootout and against non-playoff teams. That doesn't help them now. And they heavily rely on three regular-season-only players: Backes, Oshie and Steen.
I wouldn't call Steen a regular season player only. He has had some huge goals in past playoffs.
6 goals in 28 games does it for you? I mean, it's not nothing but when you come to rely on a guy...put it this way, Tarasenko has 1 more in 18 fewer games despite being the primary object of MIN's line matchups this time around.
Early exit to me means Hitch walks and either a.) you hire a Bylsma/Babcock and go for it a couple more times with this group or b.) you blow it up and rebuild around 91, 17, 22, 27 & 34. If it gets to that I don't know that I really give two shits which is chosen.
I'm not saying his playoff performance "does it for me", but I wouldn't put him in the same boat with playoff chokers by any means.
2 of his 6 playoff goals are OT winners. That's nothing to sneeze at...and is as many as Toews has.
Hmmm...Toews is a .88point-per-game player in about 100 playoff games. He's also +12 and averages over 20 minutes a game. Steen is a .5ppg player and a -7 in about 18.5 minutes a game. Basically, Steen is an elite to elite-ish player in the regular season who becomes an average second-liner in the playoffs. I do give him credit for playing in his end though. He's good at that and the advanced stats back it up. I just wished we could rely on these guys in the playoffs like during the regular season.
ecbm wrote:Horrible game. Worst Blues game I've watched in a while.
Watch while Hitch scapegoats the youngest player in the squad, Jaskin, who was shorn of minutes in this match in favor of, basically, Ott. Between that and his completely moronic line juggling (I know you think you're clever Ken but from here it looks like you STILL don't know what your best lines are) I'm in full "bring back a cup or don't come back at all" mode with this coach/front office.
Portland Blues wrote:The thing that stuns me (again this year) is how we can kick so much ass during an 82 game season and then as soon as the playoffs start we play like ass. Seriously, how do we go from so good to so horrible in such a short span?
Blues did very well this season in the shootout and against non-playoff teams. That doesn't help them now. And they heavily rely on three regular-season-only players: Backes, Oshie and Steen.
I wouldn't call Steen a regular season player only. He has had some huge goals in past playoffs.
6 goals in 28 games does it for you? I mean, it's not nothing but when you come to rely on a guy...put it this way, Tarasenko has 1 more in 18 fewer games despite being the primary object of MIN's line matchups this time around.
Early exit to me means Hitch walks and either a.) you hire a Bylsma/Babcock and go for it a couple more times with this group or b.) you blow it up and rebuild around 91, 17, 22, 27 & 34. If it gets to that I don't know that I really give two shits which is chosen.
I'm not saying his playoff performance "does it for me", but I wouldn't put him in the same boat with playoff chokers by any means.
2 of his 6 playoff goals are OT winners. That's nothing to sneeze at...and is as many as Toews has.
Hmmm...Toews is a .88point-per-game player in about 100 playoff games. He's also +12 and averages over 20 minutes a game. Steen is a .5ppg player and a -7 in about 18.5 minutes a game. Basically, Steen is an elite to elite-ish player in the regular season who becomes an average second-liner in the playoffs. I do give him credit for playing in his end though. He's good at that and the advanced stats back it up. I just wished we could rely on these guys in the playoffs like during the regular season.
I'm not comparing Steen's overall playoff performance to Toews. I'm just saying he has had some value (the 2 OT GWG's in back to back years is and in limited playoff games is significant) moreso than some others on the team.
But to be fair, the stats of a LOT of guys on every team drop off during the playoffs as goals are quite simply harder to come by. Some guys are able to step it up and perform at regular season level or even better...and some aren't.
