Brewer on the block?

[cardsfan04]

By all means, yes, trade him. This should have been done four years ago when they re-signed him. At the time, they could have gotten another first round pick in the draft that produced Perron and Berglund...huge mistake at the time, I thought. But now, with the defensive depth improved, there is absolutely no reason not to trade him.

As someone said above, addition by subtraction. Anybody ever look up the Blues record with/without Brewer in the lineup over the last three years?

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but a couple years ago when we started off the 1st half of the season playing like ass, Brewer was in the lineup...and then Brewer got hurt and was lost for the season, that's when we went on that great run after January 1st and made the playoffs. That's the only time during Brewer's time here that we made the playoffs...and he didn't factor into the success that year at all.

I know that's easy to point to as rationale for the Blues being better without him than with him, but it ignores several factors. For a few years, there really wasn't any defenseman in the league that could have made the playoffs with the rest of the Blues roster. And, when they did make that run a few years ago, it wasn't because Brewer was out. It was because Mason was unbelievably hot. I can't believe that the Blues would have missed the playoffs with Brewer in the lineup, given how good Mason was playing.

I mean, I'm on board with getting something for him (but not a mid-round pick, come on). But, I think the playoff argument is more coincidental than it is conclusive.

[cprice12]

By all means, yes, trade him. This should have been done four years ago when they re-signed him. At the time, they could have gotten another first round pick in the draft that produced Perron and Berglund...huge mistake at the time, I thought. But now, with the defensive depth improved, there is absolutely no reason not to trade him.

As someone said above, addition by subtraction. Anybody ever look up the Blues record with/without Brewer in the lineup over the last three years?

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but a couple years ago when we started off the 1st half of the season playing like ass, Brewer was in the lineup...and then Brewer got hurt and was lost for the season, that's when we went on that great run after January 1st and made the playoffs. That's the only time during Brewer's time here that we made the playoffs...and he didn't factor into the success that year at all.

I know that's easy to point to as rationale for the Blues being better without him than with him, but it ignores several factors. For a few years, there really wasn't any defenseman in the league that could have made the playoffs with the rest of the Blues roster. And, when they did make that run a few years ago, it wasn't because Brewer was out. It was because Mason was unbelievably hot. I can't believe that the Blues would have missed the playoffs with Brewer in the lineup, given how good Mason was playing.

I mean, I'm on board with getting something for him (but not a mid-round pick, come on). But, I think the playoff argument is more coincidental than it is conclusive.

Goalies, in general, can only be great and get great results if the defensemen and forwards in front of them are doing their job.
Yes, Mason was very good...but the team was playing well in front of him. It was a team effort.

[cardsfan04]

By all means, yes, trade him. This should have been done four years ago when they re-signed him. At the time, they could have gotten another first round pick in the draft that produced Perron and Berglund...huge mistake at the time, I thought. But now, with the defensive depth improved, there is absolutely no reason not to trade him.

As someone said above, addition by subtraction. Anybody ever look up the Blues record with/without Brewer in the lineup over the last three years?

I don't have the numbers in front of me, but a couple years ago when we started off the 1st half of the season playing like ass, Brewer was in the lineup...and then Brewer got hurt and was lost for the season, that's when we went on that great run after January 1st and made the playoffs. That's the only time during Brewer's time here that we made the playoffs...and he didn't factor into the success that year at all.

I know that's easy to point to as rationale for the Blues being better without him than with him, but it ignores several factors. For a few years, there really wasn't any defenseman in the league that could have made the playoffs with the rest of the Blues roster. And, when they did make that run a few years ago, it wasn't because Brewer was out. It was because Mason was unbelievably hot. I can't believe that the Blues would have missed the playoffs with Brewer in the lineup, given how good Mason was playing.

I mean, I'm on board with getting something for him (but not a mid-round pick, come on). But, I think the playoff argument is more coincidental than it is conclusive.

Goalies, in general, can only be great and get great results if the defensemen and forwards in front of them are doing their job.
Yes, Mason was very good...but the team was playing well in front of him. It was a team effort.

I get that, and it's possible the Blues perform better with Brewer. But, I doubt him getting hurt was the difference between playoffs and no playoffs.

[kodos]

The point isn't so much that the team was better without him, but that the team showed that they could be just fine without him... and they sure as hell haven't shown us that they are any good with him in the line up.

[JPonder94]

He is supposedly the leader of this team or whatever, and while we as fans have no real idea what kind of leadership skills any player has, I do know what happens on the ice and with al of the streaky play, lack of 60 minutes of effort night after night, blown leads, etc... it seems to me that if he is indeed the leader of this team then he's not doing a good job.

It's time for this organization to turn the page on the Brewer era. The fans don't like him. His time as captain has produced horrid results. His play on the ice has been (for the most part) incredibly poor.

It's time to let go. Trade him for whatever you can get.

Make Backes the captain.

Bingo. If this guy is getting booed at home games, people are talking sh*t on him everywhere and his jersey sales are down, then its time to cut ties. I am a true believer that if you are not liked by your home crowd, its time for you to go.

Sports are a fan-based money market. If the fans don't agree with it, then it's not right (to a certain extent). He has been given opportunity after opportunity to revitalize his relationship with Blues fans. He has failed them all.

I'm not saying that if the fans hate the coach, get rid of him right away. But this guy has been hated for years and I know for a fact that he is a big reason some fans don't go to the games at all.

[cprice12]

He is supposedly the leader of this team or whatever, and while we as fans have no real idea what kind of leadership skills any player has, I do know what happens on the ice and with al of the streaky play, lack of 60 minutes of effort night after night, blown leads, etc... it seems to me that if he is indeed the leader of this team then he's not doing a good job.

It's time for this organization to turn the page on the Brewer era. The fans don't like him. His time as captain has produced horrid results. His play on the ice has been (for the most part) incredibly poor.

It's time to let go. Trade him for whatever you can get.

Make Backes the captain.

Bingo. If this guy is getting booed at home games, people are talking sh*t on him everywhere and his jersey sales are down, then its time to cut ties. I am a true believer that if you are not liked by your home crowd, its time for you to go.

Sports are a fan-based money market. If the fans don't agree with it, then it's not right (to a certain extent). He has been given opportunity after opportunity to revitalize his relationship with Blues fans. He has failed them all.

I'm not saying that if the fans hate the coach, get rid of him right away. But this guy has been hated for years and I know for a fact that he is a big reason some fans don't go to the games at all.

Besides the fact that Brewer has sucked for 98% of his time here, he just isn't the type of captain fans can rally behind...and he certainly isn't a captain suitable for St. Louis fans.
Think about what type of player St. Louis fans love...and then look at Brewer. They are not one in the same...not even close. Now notice that Brewer is captain. Geezus...it's just a bad match.
Forget the fact that he sucks...as far as fans are concerned, he's just not a likable guy. He's boring, he never does interviews, he isn't vocal, he doesn't play with emotion, he's not a rah-rah guy. If you're not any of those, you had damn well better be a good player if you want to be liked here in this town.

It's time to move on. The Brewer-Blues experiment failed miserably on all levels.

[philco_3]

...and his jersey sales are down

wait he has jerseys, how come no one told me this.

[Kogie]

To NYR: Eric Brewer, Brad Boyes

to

STL: Marian Gaborik, 2nd Round Pick

anybody?

[fargoblues]

To NYR: Eric Brewer, Brad Boyes

to

STL: Marian Gaborik, 2nd Round Pick

anybody?

pains me to say it but PASS. Gabby's wonky v-jay-jay is detremental to his longevity in the league.

[JPonder94]

To NYR: Eric Brewer, Brad Boyes

to

STL: Marian Gaborik, 2nd Round Pick

anybody?

pains me to say it but PASS. Gabby's wonky v-jay-jay is detremental to his longevity in the league.

PASS because the Rangers would never accept this. Gaborik would come way higher than that.

[Kogie]

PASS because the Rangers would never accept this. Gaborik would come way higher than that.

"F Marian Gaborik, New York Rangers: TSN.ca's Darren Dreger was the first to report the possibility of a Gaborik deal, saying the Rangers aren't shopping him, but are willing to listen to offers. Dealing Gaborik would clear salary cap room for the Rangers to aggressively pursue Richards this summer."

Seeing as how NYR are in the market for a defense man and Boyes could slide into Gab's lineup spot, I definitely think its something they would consider. I would even take a lesser draft pick.

[ViPeRx007]

and FTR: we need another forward who can skate as well as AMac and is creative with the puck.

I'm available.

[cprice12]

and FTR: we need another forward who can skate as well as AMac and is creative with the puck.

I'm available.

Quit changing the subject.

The topic was about us needing more skaters like AMac who are creative with the puck.

[DaDitka]

PASS because the Rangers would never accept this. Gaborik would come way higher than that.

"F Marian Gaborik, New York Rangers: TSN.ca's Darren Dreger was the first to report the possibility of a Gaborik deal, saying the Rangers aren't shopping him, but are willing to listen to offers. Dealing Gaborik would clear salary cap room for the Rangers to aggressively pursue Richards this summer."

Seeing as how NYR are in the market for a defense man and Boyes could slide into Gab's lineup spot, I definitely think its something they would consider. I would even take a lesser draft pick.

Put down the crack pipe.

Yes, Gaborik is on the market (this has been rumored since the offseason), but you could throw Oshie or (a healthy) DP in that deal and NY wouldn't even consider it.

Brewer is is mid level rental, and no one is taking Boyes off your hands.

[JPonder94]

PASS because the Rangers would never accept this. Gaborik would come way higher than that.

"F Marian Gaborik, New York Rangers: TSN.ca's Darren Dreger was the first to report the possibility of a Gaborik deal, saying the Rangers aren't shopping him, but are willing to listen to offers. Dealing Gaborik would clear salary cap room for the Rangers to aggressively pursue Richards this summer."

Seeing as how NYR are in the market for a defense man and Boyes could slide into Gab's lineup spot, I definitely think its something they would consider. I would even take a lesser draft pick.

Put down the crack pipe.

Yes, Gaborik is on the market (this has been rumored since the offseason), but you could throw Oshie or (a healthy) DP in that deal and NY wouldn't even consider it.

Brewer is is mid level rental, and no one is taking Boyes off your hands.

The problem is that the bidding for Gaborik is going to be too high. When teams are throwing out their first round picks and proven 20-goal scorers, Boyes and Brewer will not suffice for the deal.

Brewer would get higher than what he is worth (defensemen always seem to at the deadline), but the Blues trading their garbage for a proven all-star is just not going to happen.

Like I stated before, I think that Brewer and Boyes could bring in a nice return, but the bidding war for Gaborik would rule those two out IMO.

And it's not crack dill-hole, I live in West County so its just a sh*t ton of weed

[goon attack]

no one is taking Boyes off your hands.

I am not so sure... dude is on pace for like what 60+ points this year and he's a plus 10.

get a former 40 goal guy and Brewer to add depth for a playoff run... that's really not bad. It's not like the rest of the league is as down on these boring asswipes as we are.

[DaDitka]

It's not like the rest of the league is as down on these boring asswipes as we are.

Hope you are right, but Boyes contract is just as ugly to other teams. If he were in the final year.....but regretfully both he and Jackman have a year left.

By all means, I'll send the both of them to Florida for Weaver right now (considering that would put us under the salary floor next year and force management to do SOMETHING)

[theohall]

"F Marian Gaborik, New York Rangers: TSN.ca's Darren Dreger was the first to report the possibility of a Gaborik deal, saying the Rangers aren't shopping him, but are willing to listen to offers. Dealing Gaborik would clear salary cap room for the Rangers to aggressively pursue Richards this summer."

E9 - I think we have found Eklund's handle.

[JPonder94]

Boston got Kaberle from Toronto. So any rumors of Boston wanting our bonehead are no longer relevant.

[DaDitka]

Boston got Kaberle from Toronto. So any rumors of Boston wanting our bonehead are no longer relevant.

That sucks, but I figured they were just using him as a threat to control the asking price from Toronto.